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Son of JayJamJah 09-17-2008 07:17 PM

This I Believe There is / is not a God
 
There Is No God : NPR

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Tell me\us all why you believe there is or there is no God.

I would request the mods delete any posts that use unwarranted put-downs, name calling asap.

This is a beautiful topic and none of us know the true answer so it'd be foolish not to hear someone out.

Double X 09-17-2008 07:24 PM

I would say I am a deist in my most spiritual moments. I like certain ideals of organized religion but it has been used for wrong reasons and spirituality is a more individual thing.

I still go to the Catholic Church in my town with my mom and brother but I do not believe in most of Catholic rules...I go there to feel more spiritual and have a time where I can be at peace and sit and think about whether spirits, god, afterlife, etc. are 'real'.

ADELE 09-17-2008 07:55 PM

I do believe in a creator but feel religion is simply a way for us to understand the impossible to understand.
I always say it is 50/50 as there either is or there isn't.
There is no evidence. You know as far as ghosts and supernatural are concerned there really is nothing.
Photos are all fake. Stories are just anecdotal.
I looked on youtube and there was nothing at all despite all the cameras we have now.
But there is the notion that life seems so complicated and complex how can it be ordered?
but did you know today computers do more tasks then anyone can imagine and it all is planned and ordered the way we want it. yet looking at the complexity would seem impossible.
One interesting thing I read is that lsd under a microscope has light frequencies the same as quantum matter that many believe will uncover other dimensions.
There are other dimensions and time is not a constant.
What this could mean is that God and spirit is not in outer space or inside us but simply in another dimension as yet impossible to access.
But I feel religious stories are just that.
I mean, the longest ever religion on earth was the ancient egyptian religion and now it is just a quiz question and there have been other older religions that believed in a man who was betrayed and killed and rose again before Christ.
I always liked to entertain the idea that God is actually a future being who is manipulating life the way we manipulate science today.
This isn't impossible if we look at how computers are able to carry out trillions of tasks every millisecond in their infancy.
To conclude I feel God is another dimension and time is not a constant.

Sparky 09-17-2008 07:56 PM

Speaking of the Christian god only..

I could never wrap my head around the beginning. Why put a fruit tree down if you don't want Adam or Eve to have it?

He/She/It can see into the future right? So he knew ahead of time that they were gonna disobey him, so it must have been his intention for them to have the fruit and to kick them out?

Why is he punishing people for something they did 3,000 years ago? Let it go!

I guess i just struggle to believe in the idea that god wanted us to have free will. Whats the point in having free will if you just get punished for doing anything that goes against gods will.

lucifer_sam 09-17-2008 08:06 PM

Thank God someone finally made this thread. Now, you fuckers - THIS SHIT STAYS HERE. I don't want to scroll through forty-five pages of self-glorifying tripe everywhere else.

As for myself, my most personal convictions will remain as such but to quote the immortal wisdom of an immoral man:

"Even though I've found God, I still love blow jobs, and I still say fuck." (Dave Mustaine)

WWWP 09-17-2008 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by matious (Post 520686)
I guess i just struggle to believe in the idea that god wanted us to have free will. Whats the point in having free will if you just get punished for doing anything that goes against gods will.

Well said.

jibber 09-18-2008 12:06 AM

My beliefs:

There could be a "god", but i doubt it. This god is not some big man in the sky, nor does he/she/it oversea life on earth and keep tabs on all of our behavior. No one religion is "right." It seems incredibly closed minded to me to believe that there is only one path to take in life, and all others will burn in eternal hell if they do not agree with the doctrines laid out in that religion. Hinduism and Bhuddism are perhaps the most tolerant religions in this sense, believing that there are many paths to personal spirituality, though as with others, they do have strict moral guidelines to live by.

If anything, I believe in the possibility of karma and reincarnation. But that stems more from a universal source of energy than what one typically thinks of "god" as being. If you put good energy and good thoughts into the world, good will come back to you, and vice versa. Again, this is not because some being is keeping tabs on our actions and thoughts and punishing or rewarding us accordingly, but if you think positively, strive to help people and do your best to make positive changes in the world, people will want to do good by you. You will get satisfaction from giving to others, that in itself is a positive outcome. I don't believe that bad people will be made into tampons or toilet brushes in their next lives, but I do believe that some part of us is recycled in living form when we die, be it human, animal, plant, or anything else living.

As for the question of is there a god, or is there not a god, or what is our purpose in life, how did we get here etc. etc. Why does it matter? Isn't it enough to know that we're here? Isn't the fact that we're living on this earth enough to want to make the most of it? This quote sums up the last paragraph nicely.
"Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams

cardboard adolescent 09-18-2008 12:26 AM

beliefs will tear us apart

FireInCairo 09-18-2008 12:56 AM

I do not prescribe to any religion...I do not believe in a god or gods, it seems illogical to me but i do not deny the possibility.
Self-conscious agnostic.

devilz advocate 09-18-2008 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Double X (Post 520642)
I still go to the Catholic Church in my town with my mom and brother...I go there to feel more spiritual and have a time where I can be at peace and sit and think about whether spirits, god, afterlife, etc. are 'real'.

It actually depends on the person on how he thinks. We cant force anyone to believe that there is God nor there is no God. :nono:


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