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debaserr 09-18-2008 01:38 AM

I don't believe in a god or higher power whatsoever. I have no proof. If I get proof, that would probably change my mind. Seems like most religions have something very attractive to people(ex: christians going to heaven if they renounce and accept blah blah). It definitely sounds great. However, I deal with the concrete. It serves a purpose in this world, but I would say it does more bad than good. I see the world gradually shifting to non-believers in the future.

i have more but i cant think now

Duke Of Slander 09-18-2008 01:44 AM

Back to the Christian God. The reason I don't believe in that deity is because of the story in the bible of the tower of babel. His people wanted to create a tower and could do anything when united and so he scattered them all over the Earth and jumbled their languages? That seems like such a petty and selfconscious deity to be ruling over the entire plane of exsistence.

I'm more of an agnostic. I believe perhaps something created the universe and let it do its own thing, not really caring at what happens to it.

Besides, you don't need a God to better human kind. We live such a limited life why not make our lives and the people's around us more comfortable before we die?

Tomorrow 09-18-2008 01:47 AM

I never looked into organized religion and haven't, to this day, really cared to start. Nothing ever seems to add up, there's no proof for a scientific mind. I can't bring myself to believe in an almighty being that I have to spend my years fearing and satisfying so that I can have my place in Heaven, or just as easily in Hell. I did buy a "God Bless Johnny Cash" bumper sticker a while back though, ya know just in case.

I guess I've always believed more in fate and the concept of reincarnation. Neither can be proven of course but for me, my life itself and the roads I've taken are proof enough that fate is something tangible. Everything has to happen for a reason, otherwise what the hell is the point?

In conclusion: "If I was a bird and you was a fish, what would we do? I guess we'd wish for re-incarnation!" - Roger Miller <3

Janszoon 09-18-2008 05:53 AM

I don't believe in god. My reason is simply that I've never seen any evidence or heard a compelling enough argument to make me believe. I'm open to changing my mind if presented with an argument or evidence that is persuasive but presently I'm squarely in the non-believer camp.

WaspStar 09-18-2008 06:26 AM

I believe one of two things:

1. There is a supreme being/force/power/whatever. However, we have no real knowledge of it, so why concern ourselves with trying to figure it out?

2. As the cliche goes, something can come from nothing.


Either scenario completely messes with our normal way of thinking. In fact, there is a third option, namely, a scenario that is "real" but far beyond our powers to even imagine. Any of these scenarios is so contrary to what we tend to accept that it's hard to genuinely adapt one's philosophy to them. It's one thing to say "I believe in a higher being that created us and has unlimited powers over us"; it's another to actually live that way. Really, how can you?


I'm open to the possibility of a higher being presenting himself/herself/itself to us, but I don't think it's likely.

I'm a very spiritual person, but ritualized prayers and condemning other people's "morals" and actions is not spiritual for me. There is beauty and transcendent power in nature and music and art and a conversation with an old friend, not in saying whiny, selfish prayers or complaining about other people's sexual practices.

Janszoon 09-18-2008 07:19 AM

That was a really good post, WaspStar.

The Unfan 09-18-2008 11:53 AM

I don't believe any deities becuase there is no substantial evidence and with the current information available combined with Occam's razor it simpler to posit that everything either came from nothing or that everything has always existed. God is an unnecessary step for a natural process that works.

Also, one can not argue that the universe is so complex that a creator was needed. By that logic anything complex enough to fathom the complexity of the universe would also need a creator. It is a self damning argument. God indeed adds nothing to our understanding. It creates a situation that make argues against it's existence.

Sure, I can't prove there is absolutely no god, but it is counterproductive to believe in such nonsense. In other words, fuck spirituality. Its all about brainuality.

mr dave 09-18-2008 03:14 PM

i don't buy into the idea of a specific 'god', but i do believe there is a lot more to me than my body.

my basic philosophy boils down to this, 'in order to be anything, one has to be everything, or one is nothing'. as such my body is little more than a metaphysical refracting point for my own specific existence, a reflection of all the light of the universe as refracted through my parents at the time of my conception.

from my perspective the individual human beings are little more than cells within the whole of the species and it's the ego that feeds the fear of the ultimate unknown of death and drives their desire to want more and strive to be 'right' for the reward of immortality.

the complexity of our universe is an outward reflection of the complexity of our thoughts. we are the ones who create more complicated ways of considering ourselves and our surroundings thereby expanding ourselves and our universe. i guess it's not that i don't believe in 'god' but that we are as much part of it as it is a part of us.

anticipation 09-18-2008 03:15 PM

"i'm not religious i'm just really spiritual."

"well, i'm not honest but you're interesting!"


daniel tosh woot.

Thrice 09-20-2008 06:04 AM

I believe there is no God/Gods. I dont care to bother how I got here, it is a waste of time. I enjoy being a sinner. Until there is proof, im a skeptic, about everything.


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