Obama ~ The Issues (country, American, Religious, goth, track)

WendyCal · 10-29-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jibber

Oh for christs sake. No where in my post did I say that someone who makes $150K a year had six houses. I called people who make $150K a year wealthy, and anyone who says otherwise has lost touch with reality. I used the 6 houses example because there are a lot of people in the US who are that wealthy, and like Big3 stated, they are not the ones paying the majority of the taxes. Furthermore, my post was mainly to highlight the difference of opinion that I suspect we have on the issue. I have no problem with taxing the very rich more than they currently are, for the reasons that Big3 stated earlier. People making around 30K a year are the ones bearing the brunt of taxes, and they are the ones that are needed to bolster the economy. Economies fail most spectacularly when the middle class is largely abolished, and in giving tax cuts to the very wealthy, it serves only to widen the gap between the very wealthy and the poor, and since the taxes will have to come from somewhere, the middle class will be left to pick up the slack.

Jibber? Want to go look up the spread of wealth in America? And be prepared to be surprised.

jibber · 10-29-2008, 12:35 PM

No I really don't think I will be surprised. I know what the spread of wealth in the US is like. What I don't know is why you insist on asking questions like that without posting anything of use or any contribution to the argument at all. Had you posted anything after that to refute my statements, it would have been acceptable. What exactly was the point that you were trying to make with that question?

TheBig3 · 10-29-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WendyCal

No, no, no ~ i didn't say the stock market crashed because of taxes, nor did anyone else, i don't think.

i honestly think the ONLY taxes our government should be getting from us are Sales Taxes, and i don't mind if they want it to be up to 15%. i think foreign Businesses operating here should pay SUBSTANTIAL taxes, and i believe that they should also pay SUBSTANTIAL Excise Taxes.

To me, that would be fair.

Thats no McCain's plan either. He's too business friendly and he wants to be Reagan without a clue how anything works.

Obama's tax plan is exactly what I'm looking. Wealth distribution is something you can swallow only if you're looking at them as flat rates. Their percentages.

As a famous comedian once said "if you have 4 millions dollars and your wife takes half; big deal, you're not starving, but if you make $30,000 and your wife wants $15,000 you might have to kill her."

The federal government is no different.

WendyCal · 10-29-2008, 12:59 PM

i just thought you might want some time to reply, before i posted a link that shoots your perceptions all to hell and gone. Not only that, it takes some time to RE-research what i've read, AND come up with a flippin' source you'll believe. Sheesh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/op...ml?ref=opinion

WendyCal · 10-29-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Thats no McCain's plan either. He's too business friendly and he wants to be Reagan without a clue how anything works.

Obama's tax plan is exactly what I'm looking. Wealth distribution is something you can swallow only if you're looking at them as flat rates. Their percentages.

As a famous comedian once said "if you have 4 millions dollars and your wife takes half; big deal, you're not starving, but if you make $30,000 and your wife wants $15,000 you might have to kill her."

The federal government is no different.

ROFL ~ No! That's MY big, fat tax plan/policy!

And the wealth distribution i was speaking about was a chart that showed how many households in America made this much, and that much, and where the MOST of the folks fell. Like, if only 10% of Americans made over $250,000K, or, well, now it's $150,000K, then that STILL leaves everyone else to pick up the slack. Please don't forget, a LOT of those rich folks DON'T even WORK...

TheBig3 · 10-29-2008, 01:17 PM

I don't think I get where you're going with this?

What does it matter if they work or not?

WendyCal · 10-29-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

I don't think I get where you're going with this?

What does it matter if they work or not?

Well, if it's an Income tax...

as opposed to investment income, which is a whole 'nother ball game

they have to actually be out there, working.

TheBig3 · 10-29-2008, 01:37 PM

Alright well anyway Obama called taxes patriotism and i agree but a more important point is that unbalanced tax burdens equate in my mind to the destruction of America.

In the "two sides to every coin game" I see someone who doens't work, who sits like an aristocrat in a million dollar home making bank off dividens decidedly unamerican.

Similarly, when we're not supporting the middle class, protecting their jobs and giving them a chance and an oppertunity to succed I think thats decidedly unamerican.

The propoghanda masters say is "socialism" but giving more to the wealthy is an aristocracy. The fact is we're taxing the middle class to holy hell, their the engine by which any economy runs.

When I was growing up the republicans we're the party of good logic. A common phrase you'd hear from them is "well this is a nice idea and we'd love for everyone to have everything, but in practice this just doesn't work." The republicans have given up their logic-based pragmatism and this is exactly one place you can see if ten-fold. They serve Main Street on social issues. As far as the economy goes well...their now big government, their now no-tax and spend. Their imperialists when they used to preach non-intervention.

The republicans have sold you out, not one man, but as a party. They need to lose really bad twice (at least) until they realize you can't treat the nation as a fuedal system.

WendyCal · 10-29-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Alright well anyway Obama called taxes patriotism and i agree but a more important point is that unbalanced tax burdens equate in my mind to the destruction of America.

In the "two sides to every coin game" I see someone who doens't work, who sits like an aristocrat in a million dollar home making bank off dividens decidedly unamerican.

Similarly, when we're not supporting the middle class, protecting their jobs and giving them a chance and an oppertunity to succed I think thats decidedly unamerican.

The propoghanda masters say is "socialism" but giving more to the wealthy is an aristocracy. The fact is we're taxing the middle class to holy hell, their the engine by which any economy runs.

When I was growing up the republicans we're the party of good logic. A common phrase you'd hear from them is "well this is a nice idea and we'd love for everyone to have everything, but in practice this just doesn't work." The republicans have given up their logic-based pragmatism and this is exactly one place you can see if ten-fold. They serve Main Street on social issues. As far as the economy goes well...their now big government, their now no-tax and spend. Their imperialists when they used to preach non-intervention.

The republicans have sold you out, not one man, but as a party. They need to lose really bad twice (at least) until they realize you can't treat the nation as a fuedal system.

Whoa, Nellie-Belle!

Making them lose isn't a very practical way to get their attention ~ in fact, it could very well backfire, horribly. What if they decide, hey, folks want what the DEMS are offering, which, as you pointed out, is exactly what they're doing right now.

When you think about just HOW MANY things would need to change, and change DRASTICALLY, to get our Government back on track,

well, it's disheartening...

Dr_Rez · 10-29-2008, 02:25 PM

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10-29-2008, 01:37 PM	#178 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Alright well anyway Obama called taxes patriotism and i agree but a more important point is that unbalanced tax burdens equate in my mind to the destruction of America. In the "two sides to every coin game" I see someone who doens't work, who sits like an aristocrat in a million dollar home making bank off dividens decidedly unamerican. Similarly, when we're not supporting the middle class, protecting their jobs and giving them a chance and an oppertunity to succed I think thats decidedly unamerican. The propoghanda masters say is "socialism" but giving more to the wealthy is an aristocracy. The fact is we're taxing the middle class to holy hell, their the engine by which any economy runs. When I was growing up the republicans we're the party of good logic. A common phrase you'd hear from them is "well this is a nice idea and we'd love for everyone to have everything, but in practice this just doesn't work." The republicans have given up their logic-based pragmatism and this is exactly one place you can see if ten-fold. They serve Main Street on social issues. As far as the economy goes well...their now big government, their now no-tax and spend. Their imperialists when they used to preach non-intervention. The republicans have sold you out, not one man, but as a party. They need to lose really bad twice (at least) until they realize you can't treat the nation as a fuedal system. __________________ I've moved to a new address

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10-29-2008, 12:59 PM	#174 (permalink)
WendyCal Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 271	i just thought you might want some time to reply, before i posted a link that shoots your perceptions all to hell and gone. Not only that, it takes some time to RE-research what i've read, AND come up with a flippin' source you'll believe. Sheesh. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/op...ml?ref=opinion