Obama ~ The Issues (country, American, effect, shows, quote)

lucifer_sam · 11-01-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

Well that and the whole freeing of the slaves thing.

That son of a bitch.

Predator · 11-01-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

Well that and the whole freeing of the slaves thing.

Yup, I intentionally left that out. The right thing was ending slavery. Unfortunately, that decision divided the nation and caused a war. His approval rating was very low because of that. Of course it was mostly slave owners that disapproved. You still have to consider them when determining the approval of a president and his choices. I believe Lincoln was one of the greatest presidents in history, but that doesn't change what happened when he was in office.

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Originally Posted by WendyCal

Well, yeah, there's always THAT...

but if he had left it all up to the individual States, and the Lobbyists, and the people, they would not have done the right thing.

(Sort of like that other scummy dude from Texas, eh?)

Ultimately, someONE has to make a decision. Do the ends justify the means? Only if the ends were justifiable in the first place.

Only history will determine how well a president did his job. At the time, Lincoln was not seen as the great figure he is today.

lucifer_sam · 11-01-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator

Only history will determine how well a president did his job. At the time, Lincoln was not seen as the great figure he is today.

Yeah, who knows how future generations will reflect on a president who liberated Iraq?

...by relieving 35,000 Iraqis from the day-to-day struggle of living.

Predator · 11-01-2008, 09:42 PM

Or a president who caused the deaths of over 600,000 Americans.

~~The Unfan~~ · 11-01-2008, 10:17 PM

So you don't see the difference between having a revolution in your country and having a revolution in someone else's country?

WendyCal · 11-01-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

So you don't see the difference between having a revolution in your country and having a revolution in someone else's country?

i do!

If it's YOUR country, your stuff gets messed up.

If it's someone else's country, THEIR stuff gets messed up.

All things considered, i think i'd rather it be in their country...

Predator · 11-01-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

So you don't see the difference between having a revolution in your country and having a revolution in someone else's country?

I do see the difference. But I also see people being oppressed for reasons that shouldn't be. People that are treated as substandard simply because of ethnicity. Knowing the things that were happening in either scenario, do you still feel that either should not have been liberated?

WendyCal · 11-01-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

So you don't see the difference between having a revolution in your country and having a revolution in someone else's country?

Are WE having a revolution in some other country?

Or is it perhaps the citizens that are tired of being used, abused and refused?

Yeah.

And when those U, A & R citizens ask for help, in order to try to start having what we have, what do you say to them?

Sorry about that? Sounds like a personal problem? Good luck with that?

No. If you feel anything for other folks, you say,

"'Be there, ASAP,

with bells on!"

THAT's how you gain allies. If you'll stand for them, they'll stand for you.

That's how you create any friendship, actually. You join with folks that you would stand for, even if they were sorta wrong, because we're all 'sorta wrong' sometimes, eh?

Oh, okay, as the scum of MB, it's my 2 bits!

(25¢)

~~The Unfan~~ · 11-01-2008, 11:33 PM

Do you think its America's job to choose sides and liberate people all willy nilly? We're talking about something that happened here versus something that really had nothing to do with us.

It would be like if someone had a self-birthed child and an adopted child and they decided the adopted child gets to sleep on the couch as opposed to it having its own bedroom. Would you, totally unrelated to the situation, feel it necessary to take the mother's bed and give it to the adopted kid?

WendyCal · 11-01-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

Do you think its America's job to choose sides and liberate people all willy nilly? We're talking about something that happened here versus something that really had nothing to do with us.

It would be like if someone had a self-birthed child and an adopted child and they decided the adopted child gets to sleep on the couch as opposed to it having its own bedroom. Would you, totally unrelated to the situation, feel it necessary to take the mother's bed and give it to the adopted kid?

Actually, yes. i believe that if someone asks you for help, you give it to them. And, UnFan? For the Arabic peoples to be asking for OUR help? Man, they're desperate.

They don't want to live like that, imho. They want freedom of choice, too. They want to work Toward something, not For something.

i don't think i understand that second part...

11-01-2008, 09:42 PM	#204 (permalink)
Predator Whatever Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 344	Or a president who caused the deaths of over 600,000 Americans. __________________ Jack be nimble Jack be quick I be a lunatic The answer is hidden in plain view. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

11-01-2008, 10:17 PM	#205 (permalink)
~~The Unfan~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Methville Posts: 2,116	So you don't see the difference between having a revolution in your country and having a revolution in someone else's country?

11-01-2008, 11:33 PM	#209 (permalink)
~~The Unfan~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Methville Posts: 2,116	Do you think its America's job to choose sides and liberate people all willy nilly? We're talking about something that happened here versus something that really had nothing to do with us. It would be like if someone had a self-birthed child and an adopted child and they decided the adopted child gets to sleep on the couch as opposed to it having its own bedroom. Would you, totally unrelated to the situation, feel it necessary to take the mother's bed and give it to the adopted kid?