Paris Palin
 

Hopefully next time I go to the thrift store I can trade one of those suits in for a new car.

Shes actually might be in deep **** because she used like $50k of the alaskan government funds just to fly her kids and family to events and rent them all rooms... like her husbands snow mobile tournament.

Seriously worst candidate ever. Bush is more qualified than she is, either of them.

Yeah I heard about that too. Some of the rooms were like seven hundred a night.

Holy **** it's Marie Antoinette.

Yes this stuff is bad, but do you really think she is the first to do things like this?

pathetic.

y'all niggaz just jealous..

lol.

He got a weeks ban for a different post now deleted.

Just laughing at the ban in general then.

Well it was his 5th infraction for the same thing.

So...uberlol.

How many times has Caveman been banned anyway?

This is the second time I've seen him banned since I've joined.

He's hilarious. I loved the TOTAL MELTDOWN incident.

No I don't but just because she isn't the first doesn't make it any less reprehensible. She's running around saying she's just like you, she's a middle class citizen, the economic situation is hurting her too. She's running around with a party who's platform is we're the common man, we're for small government, we're not part of that elite fancy crowd and she has a $150,000 wardrobe? The most highly paid person in the McCain campaign is Sarah Palin's make up artist. You don't think that's a bit hypocritical for the party who's saying the government spends too much? You don't have a problem with someone saying that then turning around and using tax payers dollars to fund he family's vacations and accommodations? Sorry I'm not going to excuse her behavior because she "isn't the first to do things like this."

I think this is pathetic. It honestly baffles me that someone with that type of character can actually be selected to be in such a high position of power. I guess that probably applies to a lot of politicians, but, my God, that's so very wrong.

I'm not by any means pro-palin but the discussion here is so biased.

These are accusations, none of them proven and while it's new to you folks, Alaska has been taking this in for quite a while.

No one mentioned that despite all her presumed flaws and all the controversy she has the highest approval rating of any governor in the nation.

Meanwhile Joe Biden is either voting McCain or he's a liar.

No, these accusations are proven. She does have a $150,000 wardrobe it's been widely reported. The McCain campaign even acknowledged it with their "well we're going to donate it to charity!" statement as soon as the news leaked. Oh and the Alaska governor pretty much always has the highest approval rating. They get to send each of their citizens a check from the oil companies who wouldn't approve of that? Besides, this is recent news. Seeing as it only broke a few days ago and if you look at her approval rating ever since the media was able to dig into how she holds herself as governor and all the various scandals that riddle her career you'd see her approval rating in Alaska has been declining. So yeah hate to break it to you but all these comments do hold plenty of weight.

I don't think this story or the abuse of powers story has any relevance to the election. Just trying to embellish the public's perception of Palin a little further. We need the media to focus on the politically relevant issues rather than feeding us this crap.

We might actually get some good candidates once in a while then wouldn't we?

you're so far off.

Not proven. At least not that she used any of the states money which would be the only crime of consequence to any rational thinking person.

And the clothes stuff is meaningless. It wasn't tax payer money and she's not the only politician in this election to make money from their party.

Not new news. Palin has been battling accusations of current spending since before you heard of her.

Not sure where that oil check idea came from, couldn't find anything about that with a Google search but I've emailed a friend who lived there much of the 90's.

Still the highest rated and if you read this article you'll see the drop is more related to her VP candidacy then anything else.


You've consistently misrepresented the facts and our blind to impartiality, you'll never have credibility or make a point arguing that way.

You're a smart and interesting kid but your self perceived confidence and conviction comes across as arrogance and stubbornness and totally devalues your message.

A noble suggestion.

Excuse me? the VP candidate under investigation for abuse of power isnt relevant to the election? How exactly are you going to back up that statement?

Over and over again on this board, people have thrown around the idea that what the candidates say they will do has no meaning over what their behavior in the past has indicated they will do. Now if Palin is under serious and very real allegations of abusing her power as a Governor, how can you say that that is not real news or of any relevance to the election?

Every single corrupt politician in history has made abuse of power a staple in their dealings to run their countries into the ground. Are you really that unconcerned about the possibility that this has been a recurring incident for the possible VP of the united states, and lets face it, with McCain's health, the President?

You might have SOME footing to stand on by saying that her $150K wardrobe isnt of consequence to the election. But saying that the troopergate scandal and the other allegations that have since been brought forth are not relevant is baffling.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on several points, mainly that this is not new news. New news is either something that is entirely new, or something that reveals a new development in a story previously reported. The fact that she has allegedly abused her power as a governor by spending state money for personal gain is DEFINITELY newsworthy. It is not a newspaper's job to decide weather she is guilty or not. It is not a newspaper's job to hold off on reporting new developments until the entire court proceeding has finished. News agencies have only been reporting the facts as they come to light, and the facts are that she has allegedly broken the law by using state funds for her own gain.

As for her drop in approval, it could very easily be argued that that drop is related to all the new allegations that have come to light since her becoming VP. You even almost alluded to the same fact yourself, yet you failed to comment on the significance of this. It could very easily be argued that the people polled did not know enough about her until her candidacy thrust her into the limelight, and she went under a LOT more scrutiny than she had been previously. I think the relevant fact is that her approval rating has dropped significantly after all these allegations became known to the public, which may have been a result of her being chosen as the VP candidate. Having said that, I strongly believe that had these same allegations been brought forth even had she not been named McCain's VP choice, her approval rating would have plummeted all the same.

and one last thing. A quick bit of searching provided plenty of info about the dividend cheques that every alaskan citizen is receiving. It's similar to the "ralph bucks" albertans got for oil revenues when klein was our premiere, only alaskans get substantially more than we did.

here's an msnbc article profiling it, and here's a wikipedia article that goes a bit more in depth as to where the money is coming from.

Alaskans get $1,107 — just for living there! - Wonderful World - MSNBC.com

Alaska Permanent Fund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, in my views, ethan points out a very valid argument as to why Palin's approval rating was so high. Alaska is a huge republican majority, this would bode very well for the republican demographic feeling that their state's revenues were being put directly back into their pockets, as opposed to being reinvested in state programs.

First because I'm so far removed from the original argument, I am not a Pro-Palin advocate or anything here, my argument was that Ethan showed extreme bias towards Obama\Biden and it devalued his argument.

Everything your arguing in the initial post is subjective we're both speculating on why the numbers dropped, the article gives examples of many people who still feel she is a qualified governor. As strongly as you believe, I disagree because I know I wouldn't care about it and most people I know either don't care or are unaware of the details.

The drop was not that significant something like 73 to 68. It says her rating had been in the 80's as recently as July and the article examines the reasons and a lot of people view her as a qualified governor, but are not sure she's qualified to be VP. And drop or no drop she is still number one.

What is she alleged to have used state funds on?

Finally,
As for the follow-up post thanks for the links. That's not a whole lot of money and it something they had before Palin and will have after her so I don't see how it'd impact her approval rating.

I see where you're coming on every point but your second paragraph. I'm wondering which incident you don't think is important, the fact that she has been found to abuse her power as governor of alaska, or the fact that she has had $150K spent on her wardrobe. If the latter, I can accept that as a matter of personal opinion. If the former, I really hope that there are not many people who hold the same opinion as you for fear of how people with that mindset might influence the current election and the future of what is still the most powerful country on earth.

Abuse of power is a reality with all administrations in our lifetimes.

It's not that I am apathetic towards it, it's that I understand I can't change it and no matter who gets into office the process is too corrupt to produce a legitimate, honest leader. I don't even know how Palin abused her power as governor, I've heard this headline attached to so many candidates on both sides of the isle that I am numb to it.

My solution is thus not to select a less of two evils candidate but instead discuss solutions on how to better the system through higher expectations of candidates.

Here's a quick rundown. Palin wanted a police officer fired. That police officer had recently divorced her sister. It screams of conflict of interest, but it can not be proven that that was her actual motive. The illegal part happened when she and her husband bullied said police officer's superior to fire the guy. When he refused, she fired him. As governor, she has the right to fire and hire at will, that was not the issue. the issue was that she used her position of power to bully the police chief, and because of that, was found to have abused her power.

Now, I am not as cynical as you are with regards to politicians. Yes, every political system has been marred with some sort of scandal. Yet, as of yet, there is no strong evidence of Obama or Biden actually abusing their power as members of the senate. Just because you don't feel you can fix it, does not mean that you have to be apathetic about it.

Your idea of how to improve the system is a good one, and yet it takes time. You can't overhaul the system in one night just by wishing it. I'd like to know what you have heard attached to Obama and Biden in terms of abuse of power, because I certainly have heard no indication of it.

What's worse, Palin's wardrobe, or the smear campaigns of each candidate against the other that undoubtedly costs more than $150k? I rest my case.

Joe Biden's son is a lobbyist. That is a conflict of interest in my opinion. Also he is a lair. He's claimed Obama was not ready for president and now he claims he's America's best hope.

Obama has no charisma, no personality and has gone from a forward logic thinking realist (as he was in his Podcast 2005-2007) to a cliche sputtering puppet no different then second term Bush.

Yes I'm very jaded and cynical to the process but I've been through it too many times I worked with Carter's campaign and Reagan only to find fake promises and more of the same old same old.

I have to say I think your feeling on wealth distribution is noble, however m gripe is with it being forced. America is a country built on personal freedom. I have a colleague who between speaking engagements and his annual take home probably makes 5-6 million a year. Last Christmas he donated $500,000 to The Gates Foundation, this year he'll do the same for that or another worthy cause.

People are inherently good for the most part, government attracts the most corrupt and morally weak people because you need those attributes to succeed within the system. I want the people to use the money to help the less fortunate in a way they seem fit. Not have their money taken from them by essentially a corporation with a century long track record of failed initiatives and agendas. Especially when reality is most of that money is not used to move forward but to fix the mistakes of the past.

To anyone is the middle or lower-middle class of America who wishes those who've worked harder to achieve greater personal wealth should give the majority of their money to those less fortunate. I'd ask why you're not sending 60% of your check to impoverished nations who are much less fortunate then you?

Leave the guy alone for ****'s sake. He does a lot for the forum. What do you do to help? Most of your posts are not even in the Music Forums, do you have any album reviews, or have you helped settle anything???... :eek:

Ethan actually contributed to the music forums. A good bit. Which you've yet to do. So excuse us if we don't empathize with you.

Quit acting so infantile. Or get the fuck out. It's really that simple.

See your doing it again. Using the forum as a mouthpiece for your own petty dramas. This is why people are getting fed up of you. I even told you as much yesterday.

Whatever happens between you & ethan I couldn't care less about. What does get on my nerves is that you constantly ignore anything that any of the mods ask you to do nicely. I asked you nicely to stop starting loads of anti Obama threads and post anything like this in the thread you already have. Not because of any political leanings on my part but because I was bored of them clogging up the lounge.
So what do you ? You start another one.
I ask you to stop bringing all your arguments to every thread , you do it again in this one , just one day after I asked you nicely.

And that's why I am refusing to take any of your PMs , because anytime I try & do something or help you you just ignore what I say and carry on as you normally do.

It's not because of your opinions you are disliked here it is the childish , attention seeking way you express them and your total disregard of the people who take the time to respond to them (God knows why they bother).

You say Ethan 'abused his power'. I disagree. I think he lost his patience with an attention seeking drama queen who repeatedly fails to comprehend the simplest of statements and who can't do so without causing a shitstorm. And quite honestly you should be lucky it was only one Mod who abused you because I know damn well i'm getting sick of all this crap and I am so close to telling you where you can stick your membership and I would hazard a guess there are quite a few other Mods who'll be only too happy to say the same thing to you.

I'm not paid for doing this , I don't have to be some kind of beacon of virtue to do this. I'm only human and I do have a limit and if I keep on having to read your spewing out this kind of crap in every thread eventually you'll push me past that limit. And by that point I probably wouldn't give two shits if you think i've abused my power or not.

i don't understand why she hasn't been banned yet.

Don't you see what you're telling me here?

Unless i submit ALL of my individuality to you, by heeding your advice, then i'm just too much trouble for you.

i can't believe you just posted that...