This makes me depressed. How the fuck did something like that pass in California?

I don't get it either.

I keep thinking we're over it as a nation and then this.

Are people stupid or evil? What's the percentages? 80% stupid 20% evil...

I don't know about where you live, but in Australia marriage grants you a lot of advantages when it comes to owning and renting accommodation, government payments, co-owning bank accounts, etc. A *** couple would have less luck with this stuff than a straight couple would. And this is why homosexual couples wish to be able to marry. It's not pointless.

^ Exactly.

California does have the institution of domestic partnerships, which has grown to include most rights given by the state to marriages. Unfortunately, due to the Defense of marriage act, certain very important rights on a federal level (like tax breaks and sponsoring the immigration of a partner) are denied same sex couples, not to mention that the rights given in California do not have to be recognized in any other state. :\

Just a couple things, Unfan, that I want to point out so you can refine your questions here;

1. Theres no actual law regulating the seperation of church and state. Unless its a state law, what we think of as a constitutional ban is mere suggestions in open letter (as I recall) from Thomas Jefferson. Its a precedent that we see as American.

2. You can't rationalize. Theres no religious or legal conviction here. These people hate ***s. That the end of the position. They hate ***s and they can hide behind two lines in Leviticus. Seperate but equal was a dismissed notion in the 60's. People didn't vote no on Prop 8 because they thought there was something logically wrong with it, there hate-filled people who we should have outright rebellion against.

3. We have a show here on Sunday nights called "1-in-10" which clearly discusses issues facing the GLBT community and they had this (paraphrased) comment last week:

"You know these protests are starting now, and these Mormons used a lot of incorrect information to mobalize your vote but, you know, with 32% voter turn out, where were you? The people that stayed home, this is where we see a larger issue"

I don't know the city they mentioned but its irrelevent. You can't take for granted that people will do the right thing. If you're upset that things didn't turn out the way you'd wanted, you should look inward.

By the by, you can listen to 1-in-10 web-wide here (its on right now): FNX Radio | Home

The letter from Thomas Jefferson you're talking about is referencing the First Amendment, which essentially is meant to establish a separation of church and state.

Both of you are correct.

It is implied but never actual mentioned word for word.

I'm from the bloody bay area and I have kids in my school chanting '**** the homos' in the hallways. It's mainly the Latino and Black vote though, I guess those groups tend to be more religous.

Sounds religious, at any rate. =/