dac

I believe that part yes, but even if you trace the universe back to nothingness there's still something being created from nothing. This is why I believe in some sort of higher power, though it's certainly not what they're describing in church.

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jackhammer

Chemical reactions created life even in it's most primitive forms. This is proved. It would be comforting to know of some higher purpose but it's all just molecules and accidents i'm afraid.

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dac

To our knowledge yes, but there may be something more at work. I don't know what, nor do I think I could ever understand such power... which is why I don't practice any religion. I just feel that there is something greater than us.

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Anteater

Ah-ha!!, but even the process of chemical reaction must originate from something else Jack. To suggest otherwise would contradict the existence of the universe itself.

Simply put, none of you are thinking on a high enough level here; if everything comes from something, then the processes you people assume have given rise to our rather coincidental existence must originate from something even further back. And ultimately, this train of thought can only keep leading us back and back and back, a straight line moving into the past that has no end. Hence, the source of what determines even the most basic of basics must be something beyond what a human being can define, and the closest concept that humanity has been able to conceive which provides an answer to this absurdity is a little thing called God.

All that aside, it doesn't matter what happens to us after death. The only meaning worth holding close at heart is that the potential of a greater force above us is undeniably there, and that possibility is enough for me in this life that I am living, even if I as a human being am worth no more to the universe than the stray cocckroach that gets crushed beneath the sole of my shoe.

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sleepy jack

Christ that was kind of hard to follow, I'm not completely sure I understood it because I don't know much about Socrates and my knowledge of Aristotle is completely political. Is Athens and Jerusalem a good read? I like the idea of contrasting reason and faith. I'm about to sleep...so I'll be more talkative about that bit if you want when I wake and am less tired.

I don't really understand your thought process here in the slightest. How could an indifferent universe make your life meaningless but an indifferent "God" make your life meaningful?

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Anteater

Because even if God is indifferent to the daily workings of our lives, he/she/it is still the creator in a certain sense correct? If the universe was given shape by some kind of sentience (a rather interesting thought compared to simply saying that there is nothing but emptiness and coincidence out there), then that would imply that our own development as a species has something to strive for beyond merely living as organisms of instinct. An indifferent universe, however, tells me that my ability to think is worthless and that when I die, I will just vanish into an inevitable state of nothing. Quite depressing really: Why BE HERE with our mental faculties if nothing we do in our lives matters to us personally after death?

So, following my logic that I described from the last post, I pick the indifferent God over the indifferent universe for rather obvious reasons. Maybe it won't be possible within any length of time we can fathom, but if there is something out there beyond the wall of night that started everything, then someday we will surely find it and answer certain questions that the scientific method is unable to touch.

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The Monkey

However you twist it, something must've came out of nothing. If God created the world and nothing was before God, then God must've came out of nothing.

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says who? Your brain? Just because we think that something can't come from nothing, is that the absolute truth?

I have always been fascinated with the whole parallel universe theory and what it would mean as far as life after death goes. They say if we are in parallel universes, we have infinite dimensions and there are unlimited outcomes and possibilities everywhere. For example, you get in a car wreck irl and swerve out of the way and avoid a head on collision with a huge truck. Well, in another dimension the same thing happens at the same time, but you hit the truck and die in in another dimension, and something different happens in every other dimension due to the infinite outcomes theory in this case.

Anyways, like i stated above, you hit the truck and died in that one dimension right. I can't really find an explanation with this because it just doesn't make sense. Like, how can you be dead and alive at the same time, just in different dimensions? ( which is the same space ) Would this mean life would be possible outside of your current body or whatever, or is this some kind of ridiculous idea i should just let go?

This is what i truly believe, but i don't get how it works, which is kind of my point and question above.

I mean, if this is true, then it pretty much explains the supernatural experiences people have ( ghosts). If they are telling the truth and not lying there asses off or just really crazy. But i really do believe in spirits and i think the reason they are here is because of this theory.

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Thrice

Odd, I was under the impression you didnt care to believe in ahything.

I think life after death is BS.

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