Evolution and the Public School System
 

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Fuck separation of church and state, let's just start teaching Genesis in schools instead!

Is it just me, or is Florida going as red state as possible lately? They've already banned any form of civil unions. I'm waiting for their Ban on Atheism/Agnosticism and Mandatory Church Bill next. I guess they're preparing for the presidency of a marxist-socialist-sexist-muslim-environmentalist-terrorist-white flag of surrender bearing-arab-black supremacist-communist-liberal-celebrity.

I lived in Florida for a while and I have to confess that state bugs the shit out of me for a number of reasons, not the least of which are situations like the one in that article.

It really confuses me how anyone can refute something that is at least partially backed by fact and science, and then be 100% behind a religious belief. Actually it makes me sick, because once that is done who know where it will lead.

They have always been considered a swing state, although you are partially right in saying there more of a red state. Over half of the time they vote Red, but still consistently pick a blue (such as this previous election).

*I am referring to Electoral College, I am not sure about popular vote.

I really hate Florida (I go down there every year to visit my stereotypical grandfather) but I don't feel like going into it in depth. Quickly: old people, one long straight road, f*cked up allergies, high school football>high school education, racism, boring swamps, smokers.

That article is crazy though, sad that people can't take the time to even look at how radiocarbon dating works.

talk about putting words in someones mouth.

in all seriousness i agree that seperation of church and state is important, and that evolution is a pretty undeniable fact. however, you have to respect the state legislative powers granted by the 10th amendment. i really just dont understand why this has to be such an issue everywhere, couldnt they just defer the lesson all together? i mean, how about we leave SOME responsibilty on the parents to teach their children... seems like a reasonable solution to me, but then again i am not involved in the education system so wtf do i know?

They teach evolution in North Carolina.

evolution is pretty much fact and can be disputed a lot less than religion can. think of how many wars have been /are being fought over religion. now think of how many are being fought over for evolution.
teaching evolution is fine, saying that evolution cancels out religion and therefore someones religion is wrong is not ok.

Oh Florida, how your tourist and beach areas give the wrong impression of your general population, I weep for thee

I didn't mean red state in reference to how they go when they vote I meant in an ideological sense. It just seems like they're going overboard on all the conservative issues, they've already completely stripped civil unions for homosexuals and now they're allowing this? It would be one thing if there was another scientific theory that contradicted evolution but God came out of nowhere (and he's all been in nowhere) and created Adam and Eve isn't a scientific theory.

Socially I'm a libertarian in many aspects and I don't give a crap about Merry Christmas, Nativity scenes or people saying "God Bless You" but when it starts to get into the educational system...that's when I have a problem with it. If you don't want your kids learning evolution then tell the teacher when evolution comes up to have your kids step out of the room until the discussion is over.

I understand individual states rights and respecting them but I don't think we should be teaching Christian Theology in a science class just because evolution contradicts the bible. My point is basically this: It's a science class. Evolution is a scientific theory, it should be taught without Adam and Eve coming into the equation.

I think separation of church and state is becoming more and more neglected. George Bush's schizophrenia already dictates our foreign policy and you basically have to swear on the bible to even have a chance to win an election in this country. I mean, Under God is in our pledge of allegiance! It shouldn't have been added in the fist place (fuck you Eisenhower.)

Dammit.....

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The pledge of allegiance is one of the last things I would be concerned about with separation of church and state. It's a two word appositive in a pledge you don't even have to say. Not really a pressing issue, imo. What needs to be rectified is the double standard which Congress lives by. Politicians will decry separation of church and state when they need to use religion to rationalize their policy (for abortion, stem-cell research, *** rights etc).

I don't really understand what you're getting at. The pledge of allegiance is said more than babies are aborted. Seriously it's the apex of my post and it's a symbolic gesture. To truly have separation of church and state we must remove under god. It's the only way.

Your posts reach a climax? Dear me, my literary skills are poorer than I thought.

I'm sorry, I don't see "under God" as a huge issue here (no more than "In God we trust"). While it is regrettable that those little words exist in the first place, there are far more pressing problems in the education system (especially in view of these recent law upheavals about separation of church and state). It really doesn't matter how often those words are said, because they don't offer a lasting impact upon the education of a child (no more than "In God we trust" does for the rest of the population). I understand the symbolic importance, but it still seems like an inconsequential target.

You clearly don't understand what symbolism can do. It can inspire and it can destroy. By putting In God We Trust on our currency and reciting Under God at all major events you're setting a standard. A standard which government and policies will follow with as long as you allow it to continue. They're making it sound like Manifest Destiny is still with us today. Once you remove Under God, gay marriage, abortion laws, education reform, etc will follow suit and stop being an issue. Words are the most powerful thing in the world. You would do well to learn this.

Wow, you sure are a benevolent and wise seventeen-year-old.

Don't you think you're oversimplifying this a bit? These issues have been issues for the last thirty years - abortion has come up every year in the platforms since Roe v. Wade happened, thirty-five years ago. A token phrase elimination isn't going to completely change the American population's stance towards these issues. These things take time. The Civil Rights Act was created almost forty years ago and reparations have yet to trickle down to impoverished minorities. What makes these issues so simple to resolve?

We weren't saying "one white nation" during the civil rights movement. Also we added Under God to the pledge of allegiance in the fifties. Rove v. Wade happened after that. Not a coincidence, learn to connect the dots.

Laws against abortion were rendered unconstitutional because they added "under God" to the pledge of allegiance?

Gotcha. :thumb:

(Just a question, but do you understand what Roe v. Wade was? I think you should read about it before you argue about it.)

You're grossly misunderstanding my point. Perhaps you really do need to brush up on your literary skills.

Awesome. Will do.

Good, it might do something like oh I don't know open your mind or teach you logic and stop you from making such vacuous statements.

Yeah, who knows, I might arrive at the same conjecture as you if I read long enough.

I can only hope.

It would certainly do you some good.

More so than that goddamn public university I attend, that's for sure.

Well if they're teaching you to think like you (i.e. wrong) than it probably would.

i lern how to spel

and bake cookies

And I'm assuming you learn inconsistency and how to rid your mind of rationality and logic as well.

Had those last semester. Moving on to shapes and colors this semester.

I hear it's hard.

You should read some Oscar Wilde to discover what wit actually is because you're not very funny.

I'm not pretentious or arrogant either.

What book would you recommend for those traits?

....combo breaker.
continue.

It's a bit sad that the opposition against teaching science in America is so strong. Understanding of biology is needed to successfully manage the planet we live on. The theory of evolution helps us understand life and that includes ourselves as human beings. It has implications far greater than just biology - it touches philosophy, social sciences, etc etc.

Religion is being threatened by logic, so it makes sense that anti-logic ideas will become more important along with methods like indoctrination and pseudo-sciences that they hope can pass for logic, like what some of the creationists are doing .. It's just sad to see that they actually gain such a strong foothold overseas.

I'm glad I'm not an american .. I would be frustrated.

What part of the pledge being said more than babies are aborted did you not get?

Dawkins talks about this in the God Delusion, it's pretty interesting but mostly disturbing (not just in terms of stupidity, these are prominent public figures with influence. There's presidents on here.)

The American Taliban

Gold mine, even if some of them sound fake...

^ men are pigs.




HA!

I guess I'm not a citizen according to H.W. :

Prior to the nineteen fifties it wasn't. That's a big fuck you to former America.

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