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Old 03-03-2009, 06:05 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Just the auto companies, I cant speak for the bank issues i would have to brush up on that a bit if you notice i havent spoke of that once.
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:08 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Sorry to jumble welfare into a union conversation.. they have nothing to do with each other... that was about obamas health plan it carried over into unrelated material
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:15 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:31 PM   #144 (permalink)
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AHHHHH like i didnt see that coming sounds like 2 of our big 3 are moving everything over to china ... Those hands just keep getting bitten
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:28 PM   #145 (permalink)
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Everything's being outsourced, which is something I'm pretty sure he's trying to get rid of.
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:23 PM   #146 (permalink)
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Yes i do..

Q:Why do the unions picket and protest?
A:Because they want more money.

How can that not be correct? They will bitch and complain till they get there way. Why do you say that these ppl are so down and out. Didnt they take the job? And if so was it enough then? So with out even thinking about it its obvious.. Its easier to give ppl already pushing your product through the production lines more money than it is to hire all new ppl when these gas guzzling **** darts are in demand. Now how is that not obvious to you. Whats the difference in 28 or 30 dollars an hour. This crap has been happening for years now and it has finally caught up to these companies. Bottom line is that now it costs more to make the car. So much more in fact that they cant turn a profit. I know its not all the ppl in the unions fault since the company decided to take the easy way out but if you look at honda or toyota they make reasonable salaries and have reasonable retirements on the other hand these union workers are going to be high and dry for biting the hand that feeds. Whats better i ask you Sleepy something or nothing? Does that make sense to you yet?
You don't know what you're talking about at all. Workers unionize to get fair benefits (which usually consist of dental, health care, lunch breaks, things of that nature. I've never heard of union coming together to demand thirty dollars an hour.) They don't do it to make absurd demands. The auto companies aren't going under because of workers demanding too much money they're going under because of poor business decisions (which consist of making cars that aren't fuel efficient and nobody wants.)
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:20 AM   #147 (permalink)
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Sleepy there going under because they cant afford to make cars anymore... otherwise they would still be in business, right. Of course the dems will support the unions... Its just crap from the bottom up,,,
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:15 AM   #148 (permalink)
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Do you enjoy your 40 hour workweek, it used to be;".. work till we tell you, or else". How about child labor laws, overtime pay, paid sick leave, maternity leave, workers advocacy, employer obligation to re- hire those called to service, e-verification of legal residents for right to work, Grieving pay and leave for spouses, pensions, (not 401k's, mind you) how about equal pay no matter what the sex of the employee, race or creed, medical benfits that actually benefit someone besides the employer, like any of those things, or do you have someone in your family who takes advantage of any of those things, Thank a union activist. Not to mention, the American Decleration of Independence was signed in union hall (carpenters hall, Philly) that most countries want thier states to be unionized, by that I mean, working together for the common good, under one set of uniformed guidelines, forgoing self in the intrest of others, yet flexible enough to change with the needs of the rank and file. Firemen are unionized, police, nurses, ask a teacher how bad they get screwed from their weak union, why's it weak... really cant ignore the children, but ask that same teacher if they'd be better off without collective bargaining. Ask that same teacher when she's got her Phd and is off to teach at university, gets tenure. it's hard at first but they get there, why unions, same reason people care about your safety, And that brings me around to paid training, travel re-imbursements, and tax deductions for work related items anyone buys. Just to name a few, and i mean few, there are many more things that unions have done, and are doing, to better the lives of the worker, not just here world wide. You mentioned a couple foriegn auto makers have decent pay and benefit packages and resonable retirement pensions, yet you fale to mention that Japanese industry has been supported by it's government since the end WWII. They had to. Amarican big 3 as you like to call them, which is fuc#ing retarded, the big 3 are Wal-mart, Phizer, and Proctor Gamble. They employ vast numbers of people through vast areas of industry and make vast revenue for share holders, calling our biggest auto companies the big three in America is akin to saying the three biggest states in America are Los Angeles, New York and Dallas. So as you lace up your nikes today Youkon and go for a run in your fantasy land, say high to the unicorns for me and remember, some times it is better to keep your opinions to yourself and be thought a fool rather than voicing them and erasing any doubt.
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Old 03-04-2009, 09:03 AM   #149 (permalink)
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Sleepy there going under because they cant afford to make cars anymore...
Circular statement... they're going under because of poor business decisions, as my man SJ pointed out.
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Old 03-04-2009, 09:12 AM   #150 (permalink)
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Yes, poor decisions, i agree. sj made good points.
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