Lets just bail out the world (dancing, techno, country, income)

ProggyMan · 01-31-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

I pay the taxes I have to. It is not morally wrong for me to pay money towards someone else. It would be morally wrong for someone to force me to pay other people money. See the difference?

But you're paying taxes that go towards forcing people to pay taxes.

Yukon Cornelius · 01-31-2009, 04:53 PM

Your not directly giving anyone money... It depends on the gov and how they want to delegate it. If you give me ten bucks whos to say i cant give it to a panhandler?? Once you give it away its no longer yours. However unless your making 75000 dollars or more you basically get everything back depending on how you file so your point is invalid .

Dr_Rez · 02-01-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

However unless your making 75000 dollars or more you basically get everything back depending on how you file so your point is invalid .

Or you just get put in a higher tax bracket where your taxed even more on your income.

Tax Brackets (Federal Income Tax Rates) 2000 through 2008 and 2009 ( A link to what each salary tax bracket is)

Yukon Cornelius · 02-01-2009, 07:32 AM

umm im pretty sure thats what i meant.

Inuzuka Skysword · 02-01-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

But you're paying taxes that go towards forcing people to pay taxes.

I was forced to pay taxes in the first place. Coercion was involved. Therefore I couldn't have freely willed to pay to the government.

sleepy jack · 02-01-2009, 04:33 PM

I'm sure they're coercing you into being a citizen, living under their government, and not immigrating as well.

Yukon Cornelius · 02-01-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

I was forced to pay taxes in the first place. Coercion was involved. Therefore I couldn't have freely willed to pay to the government.

Sounds like you should go on strike... Taxes were designed for the greater good please stop whining about them... Jesus tap dancing christ

sleepy jack · 02-01-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

yeah, because understanding an entire economic system is as simple as looking up a sentence-long definition in the dictionary.

EDIT: and yes it is an inherently bad idea because not only has it failed in practice but it was suggested (some say proven) almost ninety years ago that it can't even work in theory as with socialism comes economic planning and a planned economy lacks a mechanism to rationally apportion resources. aside from that, there are the arguments that socialism hinders technological progress as a result of stifled competition, inevitably leads to totalitarianism, and most importantly that it drastically reduces incentives for workers as everyone holds equal wealth.

why anyone would think socialism is a good idea is beyond me.

Yes and complete economic deregulation leads to sweat shops, corrupt businesses and wages you can't live on.

Trauma · 02-01-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

EDIT: and yes it is an inherently bad idea because not only has it failed in practice but it was suggested (some say proven) almost ninety years ago that it can't even work in theory as with socialism comes economic planning and a planned economy lacks a mechanism to rationally apportion resources. aside from that, there are the arguments that socialism hinders technological progress as a result of stifled competition, inevitably leads to totalitarianism, and most importantly that it drastically reduces incentives for workers as everyone holds equal wealth.

why anyone would think socialism is a good idea is beyond me.

Oh, it was proven that socialism doesn't work?
Point me over to that experiment.
What's that, there wasn't one?

Sure, incentives to earn cash would be reduced in a Socialist world, but on the flip-side, in a perfect Libertarian world, a few people would have millions of dollars and 80% of the population would be dying from starvation.

"Why anyone would think socialism is a good idea is beyond me" is the most unintelligent crap I've heard in a while.
Besides being an ideal founded on the principle of egalitarianism, it is also one of few political theories that actually takes into account morality instead of base selfish indulgence.

sleepy jack · 02-01-2009, 08:34 PM

I don't know where the argument that socialism hinders technological growth comes from. Even if that were a valid argument it's a very weak one because at worst it would lead to out of date technology. The only extreme would be looking impoverished to the rest of the world (but I doubt any sane government would ignore advances made by the rest of the world. Socialism can adapt to and even further and create technology; it's not exactly hard for a country with enough money do this.) Either way none of those criticisms, if they were true, could lead to Totalitarianism by any logical route.

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