Physical discipline against children .. okay or not?

The Batlord · 11-01-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Any crash that involves a rollover. Plus the statistics aren't clear since the laws are in place and confound the numbers. It might be a rare event because of those regulations.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

How about people who voluntarily put others in danger or at risk?

It's a fact that back seat passengers who don't wear seat belts put the front seat passenger(s) at a 600% greater risk of being injured or killed in a head on collision.

And again the associative costs:

In 2013 the CDC did a study and found that drivers and passengers who weren't wearing seat belts resulted in lifetime medical and lost work costs of $45 billion dollars.

Eh, I'll fold. I guess I could ask for statistics on the 600% thing, but it at least sounds plausible.

DwnWthVwls · 11-01-2016, 12:29 PM

What about the fact that people have the option to say I'm not putting myself at risk by driving with unseatbelted passengers? Seriously, it's like you people want 0 accountability for your poor decisions.

Also, with your associative costs.. How much does the smoking industry cost the government from all the health problems it causes? You can't pick and choose. Like I said, if they showed some consistency in their regulations I would be more open minded about it. Tobacco lobby > human safety, is not justification for it's legality when compared to other risky behavior.

**Frownland** · 11-01-2016, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

What about the fact that people have the option to say I'm not putting myself at risk by driving with unseatbelted passengers?

Accountability is for things that you're conscious of. Isn't less car related deaths and injuries a good thing?

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Also, with your associative costs.. How much does the smoking industry cost the government from all the health problems it causes. You can't pick and choose. Like I said, if they showed some consistency in their regulations I would be more open minded about it. Tobacco lobby > human safety, is not justification for it's legality when compared to other risky behavior.

Ja, I definitely don't value things that way but it the tobacco lobby certainly explains the disparity.

Isn't it wiser to look at it case by case?

DwnWthVwls · 11-01-2016, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ja, I definitely don't value things that way but it the tobacco lobby certainly explains the disparity.

Isn't it wiser to look at it case by case?

I think in a perfect world yes, but again what my stance all comes back to is: Giving the government the authority to regulate what we do with our bodies now, will make it easier for them to do so in the future. It's setting a precedent, and with the way technology is developing what's to stop them from implementing things in the name of public safety that are actually just a gross violation of human rights?

Chula Vista · 11-01-2016, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Eh, I'll fold. I guess I could ask for statistics on the 600% thing, but it at least sounds plausible.

Here ya go.

Seat Belts Can Save Others' Lives Too - ABC News

Lucem Ferre · 11-01-2016, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

What about the fact that people have the option to say I'm not putting myself at risk by driving with unseatbelted passengers?

Also, with your associative costs.. How much does the smoking industry cost the government from all the health problems it causes. You can't pick and choose. Like I said, if they showed some consistency in their regulations I would be more open minded about it. Tobacco lobby > human safety, is not justification for it's legality when compared to other risky behavior.

Maybe the government is pushing us towards a system where everybody has healthcare and with a big enough health crisis coming from an over exaggerated out break of a disease like swine flew or ebola they can scare us enough to justify a law forcing us to get vaccinated so they can start infecting us with poisons to lower the population. Or maybe the tobacco industry brings them too much profit for them to out right ban it while demanding that people are vaccinated also gives them profit through the medical industry. There are plenty of ways to spin this.

**Frownland** · 11-01-2016, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I think in a perfect world yes, but again what my stance all comes back to is: Giving the government the authority to regulate what we do with our bodies now, will make it easier for them to do so in the future. It's setting a precedent, and with the way technology is developing what's to stop them from implementing things in the name of public safety that are actually just a gross violation of human rights?

I get what you're saying, but I don't think that regulating vaccines is enough to kick us down that slippery slope.

DwnWthVwls · 11-01-2016, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Accountability is for things that you're conscious of. Isn't less car related deaths and injuries a good thing?

Yeh, I can understand this. Most people probably don't know the statistics on the risk they are putting themselves in by driving with others not wearing a seatbelt. Obviously less death in all cases is a good thing. It's definitely a hard thing to discuss because there are good points for both sides, but I still stand by my statements. It's just my philosophy.

**Frownland** · 11-01-2016, 12:41 PM

In a perfect world, people would understand science enough to the point where we wouldn't have to require vaccinations. Until then, send in the stormtroopers for forced vaccinations on those who resist.

DwnWthVwls · 11-01-2016, 12:44 PM

Even with a full understanding of science, I don't see appealing to nature philosophies going away. To some people the risk is worth it because morality is not always rational. It's the human condition.

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