Guybrush

Yup, the thread is not about violence which is clearly prohibited by child abuse laws. It's more generally about introducing physical punishment as a negative consequence for children when they do unwanted behaviour.

Likely, most of us have experienced this in various degrees and I don't think most of us would consider ourselves harmed by it today. But it's often quite hard to say what life would have been like if such violence had or had not not been a part of it. Thus, when looking at the effects of corporal punishment on society etc., I think it's better to look outside ourselves at studies involving for example thousands of people and statistical trends.

I only remember getting smacked on the hand once, which is trivial, and I'm thankful for that. Aside from that one incident, my parents never tried to force or scare me into obedience.

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Molecules

haha if only English kids were so good! I can't find the link but there was an article recently in BBC News, some professional or other warning that schools/parents are raising a generation of narcissists with a 'me,me,me' mentality, and there are an unprecedented amount of complaints from parents when their children don't get perfect marks on their spelling test etc.

I wonder if the parents this 'warning' is leveled at advocate mild physical punishment in extreme cases? It's almost certain that my parents' generation (for whom there was never any question of getting a smack if you took the piss) are on average more willing to smack their kids than new parents today.

One of the arguments against smacking seems to be that it makes your child develop an aggression complex; if that's the case in today's society where less and less kids are being punished this way then why did the UK government feel the need to introduce ASBO's (anti-social behaviour orders) for an increasingly materialistic and violent youth?
It's a tabloid cliche I know, there have always been binge drinkers (another hot topic in the UK tabloids right now) and anti-social kids but I'm basing it more on statistics I have read and my parents' memories growing up, and how things have changed according to them (rose-tinted nostalgia and senility are accounted for ).

It's important to remember that ultraviolence in everyday entertainment and culture in general is totally acceptable nowadays, and there are entire genres of music that are paean to the false gangster culture - these are all going to have an additional affect on kids today, children have been smacked forever I haven't seen any substantial evidence that it turns them into raving psychopaths

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crukster

I agree with it only if you do it to teach them to hit you back. Not cool to use kids as a punching bag or some sadistic realisation of your failed dreams.

musiclover73

Just my personal view on disciplining not only yourself but your kids!

When I was younger growing up my parents physically disciplined me when I got out of line.

I hated them for it!

In time over the years I found I'm a better person for it.

I rarely drink alcohol.

I only took dangerous drugs one period in my life.

I hardly even know what a cigerrettte is to this day!!!

I've abstained and waited to have a kid with someone I love.

I have a good head on my shoulders.

Now I believe in disciplining is a good thing but when you take out your hard days work on your kids and say its discipline then we've all crossed the line.

The Batlord

Never... ever... hit your kids.

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musiclover73

How do the military discipline their people?

When your kids are little and don't know how to speak and starts reaching for a hot stove. Do you say its okay or do you spank the kid and teach the kid that it could have been your life!!!

Blank.

The military does not employ physical discipline anymore.

Frownland

Fingers=\=life and kids rebel the **** against hyperbole. Why do you think that DARE is such a failure?

Also for a music lover you don't talk about music much.

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djchameleon

I guess all these anti-physical discipline people will just let their kids touch the hot stove so that they don't "abuse" them.

Also the problem with all of these spanking studies is that they lump too much together when determining the link to childhood problems based off of spanking. Whem some people use spanking they are also abusimg their kids in other forms such as verbal and mentally.

"In the meta-analysis, researchers Elizabeth Gershoff and Andrew Grogan-Kaylor from the University of Texas at Austin and the University of Michigan, respectively, evaluated 75 published studies on the relationship between spanking by parents and various behavioral, emotional, cognitive and physical outcomes among their kids. They found that spanking was associated with 13 out of a total of 17 negative outcomes they assessed, including increased aggression and behavioral and mental health problems as well as reduced cognitive ability and self-esteem.
The meta-analysis was not simply an attempt to synthesize studies—Gershoff and Grogan-Kaylor also wanted to address two concerns often raised about the body of research linking spanking to childhood problems. The first is that much of it has evaluated the effects of physical punishment in general, without homing in on the effects of spanking specifically—and because physical punishment can include tactics such as hitting with objects, pinching and biting, this “lumping problem” may ultimately exaggerate spanking’s risks. The second concern is that many published studies are “cross-sectional,” which means that they evaluate the effects of spanking by collecting data at a single point in time, making determinations of cause and effect difficult. A cross-sectional study might, for instance, find that aggressive 10-year-olds were more likely than docile 10-year-olds to have been spanked as toddlers, but that does not mean that spanking made them aggressive. They may have been spanked because they were acting out back then, too."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...bout-spanking/

Edit: needed to get the right quotes, I've had this article on my phone for days now and needed to just link it so I could find the proper ones on my laptop.

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Frownland

My dad told me to touch the stove when I asked if it was still hot because he took a pan off and it went from red hot to the regular black. He asserts that I never touched it again after that but I think "of course it's still hot, you dumb mother****er" would have worked. Instead, a four year old frownland got third degree burns on four of his fingers.

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