I' m with the others here in that I don't see at all how I'm brainwashed by television. The reason cell phones have become so popular is because of convenience purposes, how are cell phones any different from, say, Thomas Edison's lightbulb? It became huge because it's far more convenient than using candles, so I don't see your point. Also, people know what they want. If they want to buy the latest fashion acessory, let them. Why should what they do impact you?

I used it as an example. If its for convenience then why is it required. I though i was allowed to have options. I have a home phone and a phone at work, why is it required I spend 60-70 dollars more a month? there are call boxes all up and down the highway. There are also payphones everywhere you go. I would much rather use a free call box, a pay phone here or there and my home and office phone then shell out a wasted 60-70 dollars a month on a phone call that i didnt want anyway. So I ask you should I walk around with a light blub in my pocket even though I have no light socket to stick it in?

This is where I am at. Am I just a freakin product as well.

I don't think toretorden has ever offered the impression that he was mocking America. He might have less deep an understanding of American culture than you or I, but that's certainly not a crime (nor is it necessary to participate in this forum or this discussion).

If you have no light socket to place the light bulb in then you have no use for the light bulb. You kind of end up losing your own argument there you know.

Not only is it not a crime but it's also rather arrogant to expect him to have a certain level of knowledge about American culture when I doubt jgd85 has a similar amount of knowledge about Norwegian culture.

1. Show me a company that requires it (I honestly haven't heard of one and would love to be proven wrong, it'd make my day)

2. Those call boxes and pay phones you're talking about? They're useful if you need to reach someone. But would if that someone needs to reach you?

None of this has anything to do with TV by the way, you said it yourself the cellphone in the workplace matter is one of convenience

Umm, what? :laughing:

Care to expand on that one?

I didnt need it, I was told to have it. I base this off the Idea that its forced upon me by the overwelming desire people have for material. How is that hard for you to understand webster (sleepy) Guess i should have said you read me wrong sleepy.

I find this interesting.

Semantics: the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings

If i have no use for a cell phone then i should not have one. GET IT?
Instead I am forced to have one for others needs (the people who buy in) . Not that hard.

Are you F-ing serious?? Can you here me now Mother@#$%^&??? Cellphones are all over the TV... You need to think Before you write.

If someone needs to get a hold of me Then they can pay my F-ing bill, how about that.

For the hundred thousandth time, the people who "buy in" to cellphones are doing it for CONVENIENCE purposes, it has nothing to do with the latest fashion. How would that have any relevancy to a corporation anyway?

Yukon, I bet you could name a thousand items you own that you have no necessary use for but still choose to use on a regular basis. The machine you're using to discuss with me this matter for starters?

I dunno, I wouldn't put it past him, he's one of the more intellectual posters here.

But yeah, less of this cultural animosity business please.

Agreed to a certain extent. However I choose to have a pc for my own reasons not yours or anyone elses. I as well in pervious posts here admitted to my own endulgences. Its obviously brainwashing.

Well if you are that susceptible to brainwashing......


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Do me a favor and stay out of the thread if you dont like it.

The premise of the thread wasn't a bad one, but it failed to move forward when you ignored our points and failed to address the questions we posed. In essence, you're mind was made up before you made this thread and you were set on not changing that mindset, so really it serves no purpose

Do me a favor and stay out of this forum until you grow a brain.

I did once I realised your answers were devoid of any intelligence or interesting debate.

I only came back to see if it had improved or if you'd bothered to reply to my post.

Sleepy your attacks at me are brainless, I made my points and I agree with a few ppl in here. How come my questions arent answered. You all say the same thing. Then you degrade. Banwagons are a enemies as well.

Shut up. The syntax of your posts shows a basic inability to communicate intelligently. The actual content of your posts only makes your grammatics all the more telling. There have been several instances where you've said things that were objectively wrong and then when called out on them you either: A. ignore them B. say you need to do more "research."

You seem to have some sort of charlatan complex but let me be the first to tell you it's obvious to everyone in here that you don't know what you're talking about most, if not all the time. Posters in here, including myself, have humored you by taking your posts seriously but now your style is just starting to disrupt intelligent and constructive discussion. Your arguments lack basic coherency and direction. You seem unable to stick to any sort of thesis or opinion and are constantly bringing in random comparisons and statements to back up your stupid arguments. Stupidity, is of course, excusable but charlatanism, particularly obvious charlatanism isn't.

I apologize for not replying, I was dodging all the B-s.

That sounds good...

I feel like ppl are here to debate every last word or misunderstanding. I never claimed to be the most intellegent person in the world not even close. It just doesnt take a genius to see the bigger picture. Like it or not, America is controlled by the media. All I have gotten thus far is distaste and anger over degrading something as simplistic as a cell Phone. God for bid they didnt exist.

Moving along in a particular post it was stated that TVs and cell phones had nothing to do with each other. I debated back with a common TV cell Phone slogan " can you hear me now" obviously there was more to it since I had to
stress that point.

I am in no way attacking anyone and appreciate educated answers rather than cop outs. Originally I intended this thread to help my understanding of this theory. It only fueled anger and distaste with claims of convenince rather than answer a simple question. If you watch tv or not wasent the issue even though it took that turn.

My conclusion nobody wants to hear about what they are doing to help fuel the media giant. Like it or not this proves my point even further. Agreed some Items may be soley for Convenince but that should not constitue a burden for me. It should be a choice not a requirment.

Big words dont make you smart sleepy, they just make you take longer to post.

Big words don't take me longer to post as, unlike you, I'm not pretending to be smarter then I am. I'm already aware of the words proper usage and it only takes me the time it takes me to type it out to post it. It's so very British of you to accuse me of trying to argue semantics yet you turn around and start an argument about vocabulary.

Im not british Sleepy, I live in Texas

It takes alot of though to tell someone to shut up.

Did I not just state that I was not the smartest person in the world not even close.

how about you answer permalink # 60 and stick to topic rather than trying to out wit a stupid guy like me.

You're attacking three entirely different things here. One is the mass media, the other is television, and then the last one is cellphones. This is what I mean by you being unable to stick to one topic when arguing your opinions. The mass media may exist on the television but television isn't the mass media...and the cellphone is neither of them. Cellphone may advertise on television but that is it. You haven't actually laid out an argument for how the mass media controls everything; all you've done is trying and string together a bunch of random opinions that have nothing to do with each other and form no coherent argument. This the problem. You want people to discuss things with you but there's nothing to discuss except random vague statements.

Thats because they are all related.

Mass media is a term used to denote a section of the media specifically envisioned and designed to reach a very large audience such as the population of a nation state. It was coined in the 1920s with the advent of nationwide radio networks, mass-circulation newspapers and magazines, although mass media (like books and manuscripts) were present centuries before the term became common. The term public media has a similar meaning: it is the sum of the public mass distributors of news and entertainment across media such as newspapers, television, radio, broadcasting, which may require union membership in some large markets such as Newspaper Guild, AFTRA, & text publishers. The concept of mass media is complicated in some internet media as now individuals have a means of potential exposure on a scale comparable to what was previously restricted to select group of mass media producers.
Wiki

I did note earlier more than 90% of these items stating in my opinion that TV is the worse one. My reason... Would be the assumtion that a larger number of ppl have TV then do any other input. Internet close second however i didnt study maybe greater with the introduction of mobile internet.

Cell phones are constantly pushed by mass media, And constantly feed you more. that was just one example.
All I got from that was pure hell. Nothing but B-s and cop outs

its not that i dont like the 'objectively described america', its just that you use generalizations to describe over 300 million people. and im not misunderstanding your post, you just not being very objective when you use words like 'worship'. you and i both know before i goto bed i pray to brad and angelina; that is right after i beat my metaphorical child silly, and drag homeless people out of hospitals.

if norway was so oblivious to celebrity gossip, then how do you know that we care so much about ours, or about the subject at all? did you write your thesis on american behavior? i also find it hard to believe that norway doesnt follow celebrity gossip of any sort, in fact i imagine they sell british and us gossip magazines there...which is possibly worse.

if you made comments about how america differs from norway then it would be one thing, but you dont. you make condescending comments about how norway is better than america, under the guise of 'objectivity'. when was your last trip to the states? which of the 50 did you visit? how long were you here?

I was referring to mass media specifically in the news setting; which is what I thought you were talking about. If you mean mass media in the broadest sense...then you still have to argue how it controls and brainwashes us. You've yet to do this. How do you expect me to argue against a claim there's no argument for?

That's what a study basically is...

Did you even read that post? He was specifically responding to someone (from Canada I will add) who was talking to celebrity worship so him using the word worship was completely fair. What's funny though is since he was responding to a Canadian living in Canada, his post would have been referring to Canada, not America. Either way he was specifically describing what the attitude towards celebrities is in Norway, his post had little to do with Canada (and nothing at all to do with America.)

Because someone specifically stated there was a lot of celebrity worship over here (which there is. You'd be stupid to deny that,)

When was your last trip to Norway? Which region did you visit? How long were you there?

Funny the comment you get all pissy about was specifically talking about the differences between Norway and Canada.

Where has he? So far you're getting angry about him talking about a study of America (in a completely different thread)and him talking about the differences between Canada and Norway. You're the one who brought America into the discussion.

Now you're just being silly. Americans are so egotistical.

Thanks sleepy jack.

jgd85, if you feel I'm badmouthing your country, I'm sorry you take it like that, it's never been my intention. As sleepy jack wrote, my response which obviously offended you was a reply to mr dave and I didn't write it based on an assumption that he's an american (though I thought he was after reading your last reply) .. I used the word worship because he did in his post and I intended to write in a comparative manner.

About the generalisations about 300 million people, well .. again, as sleepy jack wrote, that's what such a study is. There's a lot of those studies done in and published in America, possibly more than in any other nation. Because of that, if you do a search, they come up, simple as that. It doesn't mean US is the only country that has those trends. Not long ago, I tried to find a study on the mean age of wild rats and the first good thing I found was a study from a farm in Maryland. It's just the way it is.

the phrase 'worship' being used lead me to believe that their was a biased view, and thereby was not objective. i will however admit that i was wrong in that sense, because i did not notice the same word 'worship' was used by mr dave.

a canadian who was talking about 'survivor' none the less, an american tv show. in fact, a canadian responding to a comment from sachimo (who i believe is from america, although i could be wrong).

im not the one telling him the way things are in norway, so this is really irrelevant. way to become redundant with your final point to.

funny how you get your **** tickled about a conversation between me and toretorden. i doubt he knew he was talking to a canadian, who was talking about an american tv show, who was responding to someone who was likely american.

so far im getting tired of him constantly talking about how norway is better than american. saying things like 'physical punishment is wrong' because they do it differently there and then call it 'kid beating' to make america look like its made up of a bunch of vicious beast. and i didnt bring america into the dicsussion, lucifer_sam did; maybe you should do some better investigative reporting before you start pointing fingers.

egotistical? i was curious as to where he draws all of his assumptions from, the all-so-reliable internet or personal experience. no no, egotistical would be something like constantly taking cheap shots at someone like yukon or wendycal who you know is dumber than dirt just to continue to make them look that way so that everyone will go 'wow ethan is so smart'. your canadian right?

toretorden wasn't quoting him on survivor though. toretorden was specifically responding to his part about celebrity worship and he explained how it was in Norway.

I intentionally reworded that to mirror one of your posts because you hypocritically made an assumption about his country, with no backing whatsoever, and yet you told him he couldn't do the same (even with a study to back it up) without having been to America.

He stated he didn't assume mr dave was America (he probably didn't even think to himself what nationality he was as toretorden's post really just talked about celebrity worship, or rather the lack of it, in Norway and didn't really address any country at all.) Survivor is a popular television show; you don't have to be American to have heard about it.

You're the one who's entire post attacked him based on several assumptions (which were wrong) on your part. Don't talk to me about investigating posts. I live in America now and even I think physical punishment is immoral and wrong, even light spanking (I said as much in the thread I believe.) Why don't you attack me for it? It makes you look like a xenophobe/nationalist when you have these kind of double standards.

Yes I'm Canadian. He never made any assumptions about America in this thread, he only explained how it was in Norway. That is all he did and you're the one who got all upset about it. If anyone is being condescending here it's you.

I wrote :

I do this constantly? I didn't know that. I can see you got irritated with the corporal punishment thread. If you read the posts without paranoid, preconcieved ideas, you'll see that I write early on that most of "us" (meaning everyone on the boards) have probably experienced corporal punishment. I never wrote that it was exclusive to the US, it just so happens that a lot of studies come from there. I did post studies from other places as well .. I remember one from New Zealand for example. People slap their kids in Norway as well, I never wrote they don't.

What the hell are you on? What kind of assumptions would that be?

edit :

As an attempt to stay on topic, as I wrote I'm not particularly fond of the market's grasp on the TV channels. Put bluntly, commercials bore me. However, I will argue that TVs have great real and potential worth to any society .. I just don't think shows like Date My Mom account for much of it (but perhaps a little still). I think news are good and so is every educational program you can watch and there's quite a lot of those. At least there are if you look for them.

Watching BBC nature documentaries and various other shows where biologists are checking out bugs in jungles or tranquilizing polar bears from choppers in the arctic made me want to become a biologist. Although I can't say all my motivation came from the telly (far from it), it added to it and maybe it was the final push which made me go for it.

on health care

on corporal punishment

on celebrities

on assuming people are american

now really man im not out to get you. i think you whether you notice it or not you have made multiple post in a degrading manner about my home country. i dont hate you or even dislike you to be honest, but understand that it isnt exactly music to my ears and i am gonna have an opinion about it. it will probably bring out a bad side in me, and for that i am sorry. on a side note, the egotistical **** was refering to ethan. the assumptions part applies to the above quotes. really though, this arguement is going in circles and getting stale. lets just agree that both the us and norway are kickass countries? i mean im not arguing that there is anything wrong with norway, in fact its one of the more well rounded and developed countries in the world. i just get tired of hearing this quasi anti-american sentiment.

actually bell aliant in eastern canada does this. they're a telecommunications company that started with land line phones, then moved into high speed internet, and recently branched off into satellite tv.

here's the kicker though, even if you have high speed internet with them (like the service i'm using RIGHT NOW to post this comment). if you want to get satellite tv they REQUIRE that you also get a phone line, nevermind that the tv service uses their internet backbone; nevermind that their long distance phone service sucks ass compared to the voip line we already have. if we wanted satellite tv in the apartment we needed to get another phone...

it's hard to say how this is being handled, my roommate filed formal complaints with the CRTC (Canadian Radio and Telecommunications Commission) but they proved to be worthless and pussyfooted around his complaint.

as for the whole norway vs. the world, uhh yeah... WTF? i've always liked those scandanavian countries, plus jaga jazzist is from norway so the nation is an automatic yay! in my book.

idol worship and the cult of personality are not concepts that are native to any specific nation. it happens everywhere. tv just makes it far simpler to spread the shenanigans. so long as people continue considering their wants as needs they'll continue to allow themselves to be lead by the nose through whatever means available.

saying "you hypocritically made an assumption about his country" seems almost comical when your last post said "americans are so egotistical". regardless, i never made a preconcieved notion about his country until after one had, presumably, been made about mine.

how is it a xenophobic double standard because i didnt attack you, another non american? the reason i didnt attack you is because i try and avoid arguments with you for a few reasons,

1) because you are still in highschoool and can spend 12 hours a day responding to every post (17k post shows you obviously WILL)
2) because often times you present your arguement in a more reasonable manner
3) because you werent refering to america in that thread, you were discussing the topic as a whole
4) because im not goin to respond specifically to each and every post on a topic of discussion

now as i have mentioned before, i work almost entirely with international people. i am incrediably tolerant of other cultures and lifestyles. i have NO distaste for people soley based on their nationality, so why dont you quit being a hypocrit and stop attacking me specifically based on false assumptions of your own.

Ah, good sir, but we were talking about USA! We were also talking about companies that require employees to have cell phones, not customers (I think)

Nonetheless, I'm sure there are some companies in the USA that require cell phones. It was simply an honest question I had as I haven't heard of any companies yet

Alright, so I think Norway may generally have better health care than the US. So what? Can't I post that opinion? I thought most americans would agree with me on that anyway.

The whole corporal punishment thing as being something that only happens in America, as I've explained, is something you have misunderstood. My motivation for bringing it up in the first place is (as explained in that thread) that they are discussing a law to prohibit it here like they have in Sweden and New Zealand and it's meeting a lot of opposition from the general public.

As for Norway not worshipping celebrities, well - it's just the way it is. It's a tiny country and there's no Hollywood or Beverly Hills here. It doesn't have to be a negative or a positive thing. I didn't mean to offend you, but I'm not gonna step on egg shells about something as trivial as this. Frankly, I'm surprised you even reacted the way you did.

As for me mistaking someone for being american, well .. In my quotation, you see I apologized to that person, but not for calling him american .. I apologized simply because I was wrong about his origins.

Sounds good to me. I don't think there was much reason to bring it up in the first place.

my bad, i took it as the necessity of paying for one media to get the other haha.

there are PLENTY of companies out there that require employees to carry cell phones or blackberries, they're always paid for by the company though. then again i'm still thinking in canadian terms here :laughing: unless you're a cabbie or a pizza delivery guy, if cell phone use is a necessary part of your job then it's provided to you and paid for by your employer.

i get the impression yukon cornelius 'thinks' he needs a cell phone because he's constantly exposed to the idea of needing one on tv.

like i said, the reason i posted what i did and responded the way i did was because i was getting the impression that you have a anti-american sentiment. you kept saying you werent but then i kept feeling like you continued to dog on america. so i made a bigger deal outta something that isnt worth making a deal out of, moreso towards the idealogy that you dont like america, than the actual comment about celebrities. i hope you can understand where i was coming from.