Does TV brainwash? Well, as it may depend on what you choose to watch... yes, yes it does.

There is no favouritism here.

Look, just because you've found a way to tenuously join the dots from TV to fashion doesn't mean that you have to drag an argument from one thread into another, especially if you're going to ignore what has already been presented.

Yet another inductee for the dbag hall of fame.

How exactly did this turn into a personal attack towards Vanillas sense of fashion?

I watch TV all the time.... in fact I'm a long time fan of the small screen. I think it's not how much you watch but what you watch.. if you watch nothing but news your only going to get bad news.

EDIT: Regarding the link that Yukon provided... are you ****ing serious? Really? Really? ...really?

Philo T. Farnsworth was said to have had noble intentions when he invented the television. He wanted it to be to used as a tool to educate and inform people about different cultures and lifestyles.

Lol. So much for that.

So yeah, according to his family, the guy pretty much regretted ever inventing the damn thing and didn't even let his kids watch it.

I imagine that a conversation like this took place sometime in the mid 30s.

"I want this device to be used to educate our society and come to understand other cultures"

"Meh... F*ck that, lets use it for marketing, propaganda and creating a new genre of entertainment where people get to do idiotic things for large sums of money."

And thus, the TV industry was born.

Who declares whats "in"? That's not weak at all. The only thing weak are your non-answers. I asked you to tell me how it does not relate to your " fashion"...

Once again I have asked you a basic question and you tenuously answered it. That is what is really going on.

Why don't you read over the bolded part and ask yourself how you've related any of it to TV as a brainwashing device? What you've said there is not an argument, it's a pastiche of personal attacks/assumptions and misdirected ranting.

If you want to talk about the crap smearing thing, keep it in this thread.

correlation does not equal causation.

wrap your head around it.

Guess we all just have our opinions. I have stated mine.

Which make no sense.

Seriously man, you're being an obnoxious, self righteous jerk right now.

Me or Yukon?

that comment isn't about changing your opinion. it's about making you realize that just because you found 'some' evidence about something doesn't mean everything about that something is the same.

yes there have been subliminal messages laced into mass media in the past. how that's actually 'new' news to people today astounds me.

just because it can doesn't mean it is.

Uh, yokon, silly wabbit.

never....ever... say that again.

:laughing:

What's up doc?

:-/

Seems like I get the short end of the stick in every debate... "Yes Yukon your right, but."

You take every letter of every word I write and assume I'm angey or some crap. You say all kinds of mean **** to me on every reply and I have yet to be mean. Just because I might not use the most appealing analogy does not mean I dislike anyone. It means I am trying to get a point across.

You all assume that its anger, or making fun, or being above... Its really not, its about awarness, maybe thinking why it is we do these things, or why half of america watches american Idol. Why is reality tv so important to so many ppl, why would companies save the best commercials for the super bowl? We know why, all of us... This is about awareness. Opinions as well, but its really hard to deny that there is brainwashing or that it only affects the weak minded.

I just want you all to think before you post, (not about how right I am) (which is what I assume you (generally speaking) think I mean) I want you to really think about it. Let it settle. Then post up.

Oh I get it, telling her she's a dumb conformist who smears crap on her face is just "being honest"

"Being honest" or "Just telling it like it is" are phrases I've come to despise, because now these phrases are what FoxNews and talk radio pundits use to pretty much justify any idiotic or prejudiced thing that comes out of their mouth. And you're doing the same thing.

I think you need to let this argument go since you refuse to apologise to Vanilla for insulting her, regardless of what your justification is, you're just gonna waste your time trying to convince anyone else that you're right.

So you say its mean?

Come on boo boo, think about how trained ppl are.. Its as if everyone has to make up excuses... I was basically making a point honestly it could be anything, but the crap smearing gets attention, why?

I will tell you why, the same reason that people put coffee cans on there car exhaust, put 20 inch rims on there cars, where ridiculous jewlery they cant really afford, fall into massive debt, but cellular phones with plans they can't afford, drive cars they can't afford... you can see it everywhere, its everywhere you look. People are more concearned with there "image" than they are with what matters most. Who declares that image? not you thats where the crap smearing comes into place, its an attempt to get your attention to what I am talking about.

Basically all that is frivoulus is crap and we (me included) smear it all over our faces every day. you and who ever else can deny what ever you want but you know that if you have to lie than its a bigger problems than those who can address it.

My weaknesses are for me to know, my message is not rude it is awarness. I would appreciate if you looked at it like that.

Wanting to get attention is a basic aspect of human nature, it's not something the media invented. And you're obviously trying to get attention right now, so you're being hypocritical.

Also you're making no sense, you're saying that if someone dresses flamboyantly, they want attention, BUT they're doing it because the media tells them to.

Would you prefer it if we all dressed the same? Because you insulted her for not dressing like you, so you seem to be endorsing what you're saying you're rebelling against. Conformity.

And maybe just maybe, she just likes the way it looks and that's how she wants to express herself? It's not a stretch.

You need to put emphasis on peoples personal feelings before you insult their appearance. It's not being honest, it's being a jerk. These are opinions you have the right to have but when in the company of other people you should best keep that stuff to yourself.

You're not being a rebel, people say what you say all the time, on television and in movies, everything is corporate branded, including the kind of thing you're doing right now, it's utterly impossible to dress a certain way or do a certain thing that the media HASN'T cashed in on, that doesn't make you a conformist or an idiot for doing it anyway. Because people do have a choice from a variety of things, the media is not forcing anybody to dress up like a scenester. People are choosing to do it. And people, while they can certainly be influenced by the media, are not all stupid sheep like you're saying they are.

Fashion trends come and go, that has been the case since the history of man. Just about every art movement and every musical movement has had a fashion line to go with it, that's just the way it is. Kids are gonna dress different from old folks, we should accept that because we dressed differently from our parents, they dressed different from their parents, and so on. So if it's conformity because the media is selling it, eveyrone is a conformist, but that includes you and you have no right to insult other people for it. At the same time young generations are always embracing something new and different despite their parents wanting them to accept their own traditions, that is nonconformist in a way, and a normal part of human nature and the parent/child relationship.

I think you're just looking for an excuse to rant about something. I don't know what cause you're fighting for, but whatever it is, it doesn't give you license to be a jerk to people.

You said I was angry and that I am a lier which I have no idea what that was in relevance to.

You continuously jump from one thing to the next and never explain why you say certain things so how do you expect to be taken seriously?

You sound like a broken record. I don't know how many times I have heard the conformist arguements but it's a load of ****, as like Boo Boo just said, you'll be conforming in someway no matter how hard you try. Just because I wear designer clothes doesn't mean I'm some clone who is following every word the magazines tell me about what to wear. I wear these clothes to express my individuality because most of the clothes I own are one of a kind. I have my own style, my own opinions about what things I like to wear.

If you are upset about "frivoulus crap" being spread on your face every day, turn off the damn TV. Get a life, get some hobbies and stop caring. Because the more you care the more the so called media have hooked you in.

do you guys actually care if TV brainwashes or do you just want to argue and try to insult peoples intelligence by your own "superiority" its an opinion, dammit try to change their opinion if you want but its not fact so it cant be wrong

I think most people are wanting for him to answer a straight question instead of bitching , whining & changing the subject all the time.

Personally I gave up 50,000 pages ago.

With all do respect urban why should I have to answer ****, I asked you (generally speaking) for your opinion.

You are the one who still needs to explain to me how its doesn't.

No I don't

You started the thread explaining it happens.

The burden of proof is on you

Is the T.V. a brainwash device or are people just paranoid?

Maybe I forgot to put a Question mark for you. Please forgive me.

this is the first post urban..

When it became apparent that most people thought it was a load of rubbish you suddenly started taking the opposite viewpoint. When asked to clarify you didn't and repeatedly dodged the issue & changed the subject.
It should be obvious to anyone you already had your opinion when you started the thread even though you didn't say so at the time , thats why you have spent pages & pages arguing with people who think the whole concept is ridiculous. yes?
Which is why I say the burden of proof is on you to come up with a convincing argument as after all you are the thread starter here.

Whats the issue Urban?

I think Yukon should probably go live in the woods naked. Alot of people realize just how the world is bro, we dont need to argue about it. Things are corrupt, people are fed and eat up so much bull****, but its all media and propaganda. Accept it. This is how life is. I dont like it either. Peoples opinions that contradict mine piss me off so bad because Im a person that is always right and I think that is where you stand as well, as well as many other of us 'elitists' on the boards. I wish there was an escape other than becoming Amish.

what are you saying thrice??

Its kind of a mix of youre a d0uchebag, there are things we cant change in life no matter how stupid and ****ty they are, maybe if we had the same opinions on things in life you could be a killer dude in my eyes because were both over opinionated and forceful about it, and youre still on a level of 'that band is a sell out' and 'people do and say specific things to be cool and fit in' with a little love thrown in there. Put it in a blender, pour it into a glass and thats what im trying to say. I dont really know wtf im talking about, but you'll misconstrue(sp?) everything ive written and just pick out the d-bag part and ask me to explain it.

No one's trying to be superior, we're just trying to get some sense out of the guy. I recommend killing the pain of all this now and locking the thread as it's utterly pointless.

The only way to truly express yourself in this world now is to create art.

And then let the media exploit it. :pimp:

Wow, you think?

No one's out to change the other persons mind, this thread is for fun debate and to share our different perspectives. Unless an argument is well presented, I doubt any opinions will be change. You do understand that this is an opinions forum, right? From now on you can just assume, unless stated otherwise, that every post has an invisible "imo" tagged onto the end of it.

^^^ Thank you zzz ^^^

I think the TV is sending out a lot of mixed messages, especially to the young kids and teenagers. It always has, except that now, in the UK at any rate, the boundaries have been pushed a lot further back. Material which wasn't acceptable not so long ago is now regarded as normal viewing. I don't get the feeling that people here are paranoid; more like subtle brain-washing has re-defined how we are supposed to think and act in our every day lives.

I'm not saying were all zombies, I just think that there is more to it. Maybe its more subliminal you know. Maybe not direct, I don't know. I agree with a lot of you in here, I just wanna see if there is anything that you could call to be "soft" brainwashing.

What you refer to as "soft"-brainwashing, I would say this comes in the form of Soap Operas. All day and every day the same scenarios are played out,so that the constant negativity they show has become normal. When the same sort of stuff happens out on the street, people are a lot less shocked by it.
In Politics there are so many day-to-day situations arising that would be funny if they weren't so serious. We know that we can't control them though, and I think we've all become de-sensitised to them. If nothing else we've been brain-washed into accepting all this.