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Old 04-04-2009, 10:52 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Alright, I'm definitely not reading through 12 pages of arguments to only join in on it, but I will offer my opinion on gender roles

Gender roles are unavoidable, no matter how it's looked at. Men are, on average, stronger then women and thus are more likely to be doing the hard work. Men also think in a way that pertains more to science and math, while women more towards language arts so those careers will always be prominently represented by their genders.

However, I find lots of gender roles still to be bull****. Women have as much a right as men to work. On the contrary, women aren't any smarter then men (despite what some say), etc etc
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:03 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Alright, I'm definitely not reading through 12 pages of arguments to only join in on it, but I will offer my opinion on gender roles

Gender roles are unavoidable, no matter how it's looked at. Men are, on average, stronger then women and thus are more likely to be doing the hard work. Men also think in a way that pertains more to science and math, while women more towards language arts so those careers will always be prominently represented by their genders.

However, I find lots of gender roles still to be bull****. Women have as much a right as men to work. On the contrary, women aren't any smarter then men (despite what some say), etc etc
I like your last point. I think all of us know those self proclaimed feminists who go around yelling (always yelling it seems, and angry) about how women are superior, women are smarter, men are all inherently abusive, masochistic tyrants etc. etc. How in the hell does that help anything? Those are the women I feel tempted to join in a rally holding a sign saying "get back in the kitchen." And then run for my f*cking life.
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:07 PM   #123 (permalink)
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That's the problem I have with most vegans. They alienate people by taking a negative (or extremist) approach to a positive message.
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:07 PM   #124 (permalink)
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Prove me wrong rather than cop out since you where so quick to call me out.
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:09 PM   #125 (permalink)
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Prove me wrong rather than cop out since you where so quick to call me out.
That's like telling him to prove you wrong about your favorite band.
It's an opinion question; there's no proof.
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:10 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Alright, I'm definitely not reading through 12 pages of arguments to only join in on it, but I will offer my opinion on gender roles

Gender roles are unavoidable, no matter how it's looked at. Men are, on average, stronger then women and thus are more likely to be doing the hard work. Men also think in a way that pertains more to science and math, while women more towards language arts so those careers will always be prominently represented by their genders.

However, I find lots of gender roles still to be bull****. Women have as much a right as men to work. On the contrary, women aren't any smarter then men (despite what some say), etc etc
I see what you are trying to say, but I don't think you're completely following it. Genetically men and women are very different, however there are so many exceptions. From the beginning of the human race we were focused on survival and reproduction. Now with the advancements in our brain capablilities it's no longer black and white. Women are no longer require to just bear children, and men are longer meant to bring home the bacon (or screw other women soley for reproduction purpose).

Women learn differently from men which can often affect the path of education both sex's can follow. Let's not forget that society incorportates the gender roles, forcing people to stick to their specific rules to not lose the female and male identities.

As far as females and males intelligence goes, it's not really linked to what sex they are, it's due to how someone is brought up, their education levels, their socio-economic status and so on. People like to group others according to their sex which is completely unjustified.
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:11 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Yukon, no one is replying to your last post because the topic of discussion is not about how humans have evolved over the past 90000 years. The topic of discussion is about gender roles and how they still pertain to modern society. You've stated two conflicting points about biology, and the human species ability to function beyond the capacity of simple biology and how they relate to gender roles. Now if you have nothing to add to the topic at hand, then kindly bow out. If you do however, we'd all be happy to hear your opinions.
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:20 PM   #128 (permalink)
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Like Vanilla said, there are other factors that take place in forming a person's capacity to perform well in a certain profession. Now obviously I know that you weren't implying that men are always going to be good in math and science, women good at language arts. But while it is true that most men's brains operate on a level that generally makes them more well suited to math and science fields, and women's brains function in a way that generally make them more well suited to more creative fields, I think that the society as well as the demands of a job make this quite irrelevant.

For one thing, in a lot of research positions (be it in science or mathematics) the capacity for creative thinking is a fundamental part of it. Science has gotten to a point where it is no longer just a number geek punching along at equations with a super focused mind bent on nothing else but the task at hand. Therefore, the left-brained, more creative types (which research has shown is represented in women more than men) would really be just as suited to the work as a right-brained person.

I think the trend you see nowadays in the predominance of men in these fields has more to do with social implications and traditional views than it does biology.
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:42 PM   #129 (permalink)
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Like Vanilla said, there are other factors that take place in forming a person's capacity to perform well in a certain profession. Now obviously I know that you weren't implying that men are always going to be good in math and science, women good at language arts. But while it is true that most men's brains operate on a level that generally makes them more well suited to math and science fields, and women's brains function in a way that generally make them more well suited to more creative fields, I think that the society as well as the demands of a job make this quite irrelevant.

For one thing, in a lot of research positions (be it in science or mathematics) the capacity for creative thinking is a fundamental part of it. Science has gotten to a point where it is no longer just a number geek punching along at equations with a super focused mind bent on nothing else but the task at hand. Therefore, the left-brained, more creative types (which research has shown is represented in women more than men) would really be just as suited to the work as a right-brained person.

I think the trend you see nowadays in the predominance of men in these fields has more to do with social implications and traditional views than it does biology.
Well I'm retiring then, do your research and you will find that its not based on opinion its based on fact. If you think that it is sexist for the man to be the way he has been for 90000 years then give me a pair of breasts, so i can do the same as that of a women.

There is no opinion when it comes down to a scientific answer based off our culture, technology, and basic Knowledge which is where the resources came from.. If we were talking about something with a broader meaning there would not be this type of impact, but to carry on this thread is pointless.

You know why your here, and your role, if its sexist then you question natures design not mine. Your obvious neglect to understand what Im saying or cop out tactics are ridiculous. You have no argument with me and I am not arguing with you. I will admit that I have been drinking, so it is easier for me to lay down the obvious, which by the way should not offend you since we need both male and female =. Don't say its and opinion since its fact, and since by saying that you basically say you have no reason to be here which is also not true. (please by the way, I know you know what i mean and I have been drinking, so dont try to avoid what i am saying cause ill get you when im sober)

SNL is on , Seth Rogan is on, and I dont have time right now to agree with anyone, do me a favor and do some research before you post. I have had this problem myself and only hope that you don't continue to make the same mistakes i did. Opinions are how you perceive something, facts will destroy them, thus changing your thought and opinion .

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Old 04-04-2009, 11:51 PM   #130 (permalink)
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You know why your here, and your role, if its sexist then you question natures design not mine. Your obvious neglect to understand what Im saying or cop out tactics are ridiculous. You have no argument with me and I am not arguing with you. I will admit that I have been drinking, so it is easier for me to lay down the obvious, which by the way should not offend you since we need both male and female =. Don't say its and opinion since its fact, and since by saying that you basically say you have no reason to be here which is also not true. (please by the way, I know you know what i mean and I have been drinking, so dont try to avoid what i am saying cause ill get you when im sober)
Why don't you continue frying brain cells and stop posting rubbish? I couldn't understand a word. You're only embarrassing yourself.

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SNL is on , Seth Rogan is on, and I dont have time right now to agree with anyone, do me a favor and do some research before you post. I have had this problem myself and only hope that you don't continue to make the same mistakes i did. Opinions are how you perceive something, facts will destroy them, thus changing your thought and opinion .

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