Slaughterhouse Abuse
 

Lemme start by saying that I love meat, no veg head.

I had a bit of fun with the search button, and found no records of anything like this topic, so here we go:

Generally I have nothing against the idea of slaughterhouses, but most slaughterhouses don't follow a humane method of killing their animals, much less follow the USDA's guidelines.

Most USDA inspectors are pushed out of the slaughterhouse, and can't report anything for fear of job loss or lawsuits.
Careless handling and management is leaking disease into meat sold all around the United States.
Besides the fact that it's disgusting, it's insanely cruel to the animals.
I have nothing against the circle of life, but this isn't natural killing.
It's forced and painful.
Sometimes the animals are skinned and dismembered before their dead.
The USDA has guidelines on slaughter and care for the animals that are scarce followed.
And it's all hiding behind doors and curtains because if the meat industry shut down, there would be chaos.

The way to avoid things like this getting onto your plate is to buy from local meat markets, and even fast food chains that had been petitioned till they agreed to follow guidelines.

Places to get your meat:
Local markets
Local stores
Mcdonalds, Burger King, and Wendy's all have acceptable meat


Anything bred and killed locally is likely to have better treatment and less disease than a factory farm.

Sources:
Article:
"Humane Slaughter" Is Often An Empty Promise


Accepted ways of legal slaughter:
Slaughter Red

Video information:
Prevent Animal Cruelty by Adopting a Vegetarian Diet | ChooseVeg.com

Is it just gross?
Do you agree with the treatment?
Do you not really care?
Do you think it's wrong, but like meat too much to put in the extra work?


What are your views?

(also, sorry for the tl;dr, I got nothing for ya)

All slaughterhouses are abusive.

Its a necessary means of providing massive quantities of meat for the working men and women that would otherwise do it themselves.

I will agree some of the videos out there are quite gruesome and some of the workers are probably serial killers. However, at least there doing something productive and there desires are fulfilled .... j/k

Seriously, I agree they should up the sanitation as well as find more humane ways to slaughter these animals..

What really gets me most though is their doing it illegally while the USDA inspectors are THERE.
And the inspectors can't report because they will automatically be rebuffed by the testimonies of the workers, leading to losing their jobs.

The most effective way I've found of weeding out bad meat is to go talk to your local butcher, find out the name of the slaughterhouse, call them, and drop in.
They usually are willing to take you through if their not busy (too many accusations could be formulated if they refuse... ), and your not a minor (Damn my stupid age).
But I do know a guy who works at a local store who's been to the slaughterhouse and it's a small slaughter house, and not too bad.
They only service to stores in the area, and are therefore not too large or concerned about money.
But Tyson slaughterhouses are the worst. Too many CEO's concerned about money to care about anything that goes on in a slaughterhouse.

Let me start by saying every time I read something like this I wish I had the self control to quit meat. I am a an animal lover, I have two cats and two dogs of my own and someday I'll have a big house and adopt more.

Slaughter Houses are getting out of control, there is no denying any of this. If there were a way to put these poor animals to sleep before death then I would be ok with that. Knowing very well that most cows are aware and still moving around and mooing while the blades are cutting through, then is indeed very sad and hurtful. There is a circle of life but that isn't it. The true circle would insist on man hunting and getting his pray and that's that. Pinning them and cutting through them like are nothing is wrong on too many levels.

To be honest I don't think the slaughter houses will ever change for the better, but rather for the worse. The government gives less and less, and cares less and less. People can protest and whine all they want but no matter the laws in place people still break them. Sad to state what maybe is a fact but this will never change.

It's not necessary that working men and women eat massive quantities of meat.

He's not really saying that. He's saying that since there's a large demand for meat in the market place (which there is) slaughterhouses are necessary to meet that demand.

Kind of an oxymoron.

I'm an unrepentant carnivore btw. But I admit we can find less painful ways of killing animals.

I think nothing bothers me more than boiling live Lobsters. I mean holy sh*t is there a worse possible way to die? Can't you like, I dunno, break their f*cking necks first or something? Well lobsters don't have necks, but geeze do something.

Though I understand the idea is because they go bad very quickly once they're dead.

Also people say lobsters don't feel pain but that's bullsh*t, they scream don't they?

They broil animals at slaughterhouses alive too.
The whole slaughter industry is corrupt and disgusting.

I not being mean here...

Do you feel bad when you step on an ant? Nah
Do lobsters really know whats going on? Nah
Does the ant? Nah

Look at it as food, after all that's why its here, for us to consume. Without it you would die. Think about eggs.. we deliberately never give the chick a chance by keeping the male chicken away from the female. That should be worse than a lobster. You gonna eat that?? j/k

Lobsters do actually feel pain though; they have nerves and it's a myth probably created by lobstering companies to make boiling them alive seem harmless. Ants feel pain as well the only reason they wouldn't know what's going on is because they don't have the intelligence to comprehend the scenario but arguing killing animals is acceptable because they don't know what's going on/can't feel pain is silly. Most babies (I'm not talking fetuses or embryos) don't really know what's going on either.

I'm all for decent ways of slaughtering my dinner but the idea of putting them to sleep before killing them is a bit pointless. Next thing you know PETA will be asking for lethal injections.

Upton Sinclair's got a whole book about this.

PETA does more harm than good in regards to the animal rights. All they manage to do is make idiot celebrities like Bill Maher and Pamela Anderson feel good about themselves while alienated people who actually matter.

There is no need to put them to sleep before slaughter if you stun them correctly.
Which, sadly, is not happening.
Therefore they just slit throats and wait for them to bleed out, or broil them alive, or even break bones till the pain prevents them from fighting back and they just die slowly while being dismembered.

And, while I do not in any way agree with most of PETAs views, I am glad they petitioned so hard that some fast food restaurants sent their own inspectors to the slaughterhouses and reformed policies.

What the f*ck are you talking about?

I know they do some crazy stuff but instances of broiling animals alive is pretty rare, I've never heard of it being done in this country. That's just retarded, what's the logic in even doing that? Do you know what broiling is.

Even if that is true it violates government regulations, which no one here thinks should be violated, if you think this is a good reason to get rid of the slaughterhouse industry you have failed.

I didn't mean to make it sound as though it was ok to kill for no reason, more or less I was saying that at least we are eating what we kill so there is purpose behind the lobster vs stepping on ants/ putting poison on an ant hill because they are an inconvenience, since honestly we are the real inconvenience to the ant..

I feel that people prioritize whats humane based on the level on consciousness an animal/insect has.

Your right I do need to explain myself better...

I'm sorry, It was a typing mistake. (probably just from staring at the word)
I mean Boiling.

Yeah, that's also retarded.

I'm all for tougher regulations.

I agree that the meat industry on the whole is pretty awful. It makes me wonder why some people are so much against hunting, but yet have no problems buying their packaged meat in the supermart. After all, a wild animal has at least led a natural life up to the point where it's killed.

By hunting, I mean hunting which is sustainable and likely even beneficial as a way of population regulation such as moose hunting in Norway.

If you're against it because of morale, that's fine of course, but then you should also consider becoming a vegetarian.

it makes me wonder why people have such double standards about the food they eat. sure, it's horrible when animals die because they can scream, but nobody really gives a fuck about the plants that are massacred daily for the sake of the vegetarian.

in all seriousness though, i'm for cleaning up the industry, but it's just supremely naive to suggest that people should stop eating meat because of some qualms you might have with animals being killed for human consumption. there is nothing wrong with eating dead animals (we have canine teeth for a reason). all the same it would certainly be nice to see the industry to start raising them more humanely.

Yeah, but we don't need to eat meat in the quantities that we eat it.
Humans weren't made to eat meat at every meal. Up until fifty-sixty years ago, we weren't.
And the big problem, is factory farmed meat.
it's environmentally catastrophic and unsustainable
it's causing our children to go into puberty way earlier than they should be (laced with hormone)
its system could very easily contribute to a huge human epidemic
its quality is so bad that BAD is all most people know
it's unbelievably cruel and filthy

As far as the whole "you're an animal, eat like one" argument goes, animals do not end up obese in the wild. People are eating like shit.

In other words, it's not inherintly bad to eat meat. Lord baby jesus knows I love it. It's the system which provides Americans with meat that's messed up. Go hunt your own food, don't eat that filthy overprocessed bull.

This is completely true.
There are other ways to get the protein you need.
Nuts, cheese, and even protein supplements and other plans.

I'm also not saying that we shouldn't eat meat (as a whole people), I'm just saying this industry, like SO many others, needs to be reformed.

I ate a bunch of meat as a child, I was right on time.. Show me some proof.



If its as horrible as you say it is I would expect to get sick or shart worms...
what you need to do is compare how often ppl get sick from eating meat vs other things...

Humans are omnivores, I think the amount we eat is up to us... Lets just say millions of people eat less meat... well guess what you still need the slaughterhouses...

Or we could go back to the old days and eat it raw...
I guess I just really don't see a bunch of people sitting around a table at the slaughter house thinking of new ways to hurt a cow... I think it is also its possible that they have gotten used to what they are doing. I guess they don't pet them now before they get the jug.J/k

American Beef: Why is it Banned in Europe?

"Most U. S. beef cattle are implanted with synthetic hormones in feedlots prior to slaughter. On January 1, 1989 the European Economic Community (EEC) placed a ban on hormone-treated U. S. meat, preventing U. S. meat products from being sold in any European nations. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has challenged the ban and accused the EEC of unfair trade practices, but the action of European governments raises some important questions about American meat."

Consumer Concerns About Hormones in Food


"While a variety of hormones are produced by our bodies and are essential for normal development of healthy tissues, synthetic steroid hormones used as pharmaceutical drugs, have been found to affect cancer risk. For example, diethylstilbestrol (DES), a synthetic estrogen drug used in the 1960s was withdrawn from use after it was found to increase the risk of vaginal cancer in daughters of treated women. Lifetime exposure to natural steroid hormone estrogen is also associated with an increased risk for breast cancer (see BCERF Fact Sheet #09 Estrogen and Breast Cancer Risk: What is the Relationship?). Hence, consumers are concerned about whether they are being exposed to hormones used to treat animals, and whether these hormones affect human health. We try to address this complex issue based on scientific evidence that is currently available. "

This is SERIOUSLY the tip of the iceburg if you want proof. It's a very easy subject to research, take two minutes.


I didn't say it was SARS. But it is causing a very unhealthy society and the heart diseases that it's easily caused more deaths than this peanut butter b.s. that's been in the news.



And I said it's ok to eat meat, I eat it. We just eat way too much of it. We've been raised with this idea that we need to eat it at every meal. Our bodies weren't meant to process all that.


It's the factory farming that's the problem. That's where the cramped, filthy conditions are. If we ate less meat we could have nothing but free range farms, and less cruel conditions that are hot beads for diseases to spread.


Everything else you said is retarded. I assume you know this.

So if I eat cow/pork it will have heart disease?? I'm assuming that depends on what part I eat. If i were to eat bacon or prime rib (standing rib, rib eye..) more than i should it may contribute...


So what.. I think that's left up to the person consuming the meat... If you are generally speaking, I can agree with that.

Regardless of how you cut it, there are millions of people in the U.S.... No matter how often or not they eat meat will not impact the need for factory farming... Its like I said earlier, I believe that people judge humane on the level of conscience (in relation to our own) that the animal has, What about chickens?? no one gonna mention them??

Every meal is too much. So much that it's making people unhealthy is too much.
And I totally ignored the environmental impact of factories, with all the waste and pollutants in my last.


But, I've seen you argue with people on here before. I'm not dedicated enough to go back and forth with you if you value winning the debate more than taking information from it. So I'm probably gonna stop here. It's pointless.
Maybe I'll get froggy later and respond to what you got though. Work gets pretty boring.

Your health and your body; which is what he's been saying.

I have no intention of arguing..

Sorry..

Bane is right, I got my pubes at age 3, got a girl pregnant when I was 7.

^ This.

I'm all for organic farming, as long as people don't try to pass it off as being without it's flaws, like being far less able to meet consumer demands. And the utter retardedness of not using pesticides.

I think putting a ban on factory farming like some people want would be a total kick in the balls as far as the economy is concerned, rather than wasting your time trying to stop such an unstopable force, and instead of trying to preach the ways of vegetarianism which just makes you come off as a douche, I think it's more important to just promote organic farmers and organic food products, if enough people simply went organic, the factory farm companies would just die out.

When a new trend comes along it's gotta be a slow moving transition, it can never happen automatically.

I don't eat organic sad to say, too hard to find and too expensive for me. So there's not enough of a market for this, at least from my experience.

No wonder poor people are fatter than wealthy people in this country. :laughing:

Edit: nvm, I don't wanna fux with this anymore.

No I agree with you that it's bad, but we're too reliant on it, the way we are reliant on the oil industry, putting an insta ban on it would be a disaster.

It's difficult but IMO the only way you can get rid of factory farming is to promote organic farming, that would be a long going process. But with all the time, money and energy going into promoting alternative energy sources. I don't know why we're not doing the same thing when concerning our food.

Put more money into stemcell research! One day, we'll be able to have "real" meat factories where we grow beef on growth mediums in petri dishes. ;)

A lot of veggie dopes piss and moan about genetic engineering, they're no worse than the christian nutjobs.

With the kind of technology we'll be developing we'll be able to feed a sh*tload of starving people around the world, and idiots are protesting on the scientifically baseless assumption that we're creating a race of evil mutant vegetables.

i understand you're joking but this issue has resolved itself into something where people are actually concerned about it. and well, it's just fucking stupid.

PETA has an incredibly fucked perception of what constitutes good judgment. they propose that it's wrong to breed and raise animals for human consumption, but as long as there isn't an organism behind the meat you're eating then it's okay? not only is this not in good logic but it puts a burden on our scientists and engineers to try and develop a way to play god in the name of "saving" animals.

there's about seven billion better reasons to pursue stem cell research. this endorsement by PETA is nothing but a flimsy proposal to accomplish something that is neither
1) within the limits of logical reasoning or
2) economically feasible.

i mean, when i first read about this i was immediately forced into recalling Harry Caray's hilarious rants.

I think to say PETA does more harm than good is a severe understatement.

They're a fascist group consisting almost entirely of f*cking idiots and douchebags.

i'm more concerned about the treatment of animals by the psychological field than slaughterhouses, primarily because the meat-packing industries serve a purpose, whereas the psycho-babble bullshit field has virtually no benefit to mankind.

You know what..

I think we (humans) are to freaking civil and selfless...

We (humans) are constantly trying to save trees, animals, oceans etc.. Honestly we should probably eat and be happy. We are constantly at war with each other and yet consume ourselves with the rights of cows/animals.. To me it all seems kind of silly.

OOOHHHH, so American's need to be more hedonistic to be happy.

We have bigger fish to fry, our brothers and sisters are over in afgan getting worse treatment than the fukin cows...

Human life is pain, we go through more than cows (physically and obviously mentally), in our lifetime. Cows don't have to try, they have it pretty friggin easy until we get hungry...

I know what they do I've seen the videos, but like I said, there cows.. They were put here for us to eat, and that's what we do, eat them... We don't even waste the hide, your shoes probably have some cow on them as well, Do you care about that?