Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 651608)

Does a painting need an artist? No, because a completed work speaks for itself, it needs no more interference. But that doesn't erase the fact that at some point and artist thought out and painted the work upon a canvas, little by little.

Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 651609)

Well, is the universe a painting?

Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 651611)

Only to those who really believe. . . :finger:

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Originally Posted by coryallen2 (Post 651543)

You dont have to be a christian to answer those question, all you have to do is actually read the bible.

1st, there is not one instance in the book of genesis that claims an "apple" fell from any tree. It merely said "fruit". Matter of fact, the word "apple" isnt even in the book of genesis ever.

2nd, the whole creation even is split in two. there are two events described with two different sets of details. All the races did not come from Adam and Eve, despite popular Christian belief. All the primary races were created in the first chapter. Emphasis was put on the Adamite bloodline because that was bloodline that would ultimately remain pure all the way from Adam to Abraham to David to Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 651603)

Does a painting need an artist? No, because a completed work speaks for itself, it needs no more interference. But that doesn't erase the fact that at some point and artist thought out and painted the work upon a canvas, little by little.

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 651782)

all lies! il n'y a pas de hors-texte. a painting means nothing without its context, of course it needs an artist. however, separating the artist from the art is self-delusional. this is what 'god is dead' means. when god dies life is reborn.

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 651912)

it is impossible to define art without referring to artists. but i welcome you to try.

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 651921)

but if a person looks at something in the world and says "that is beautiful," that makes them an artist.

all an artist does is extract a piece of reality from its context.