How Real Is Christianity?

pahuuuta · 04-03-2009, 08:35 AM

Well, im probably going to guess most people on here are christians, and sorry to say that i'm not and the bible just doesnt give me enough faith to believe in god, im the kind of person that has to see it to believe it, whether or not that is a good or bad thing. anyway i was reading bits and pieces of the bible and it just has some flaws in it, lets list some shall we?

firstly, the snake taunted adam and eve with a apple from the tree in the garden of eden, correct? the garden of eden "was" located in israel, which is near the mediterranean. . . . .apples DO NOT grow in the mediterranean....

secondly, at one point there was only cain, able and adam and eve, so think about this, where did cain's wife come from?

i will become a christian right now if someone answers that question for me, to this day no one can answer it, it was used in the Scopes Trial (1925). NO ONE CAN ANSWER IT, where did she come from.

So seeing as how not even the biggest christian can answer this question, i will have to say there is no way to defend the biblical record. . . .

discuss.

SATCHMO · 04-03-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pahuuuta

firstly, the snake taunted adam and eve with a apple from the tree in the garden of eden, correct? the garden of eden "was" located in israel, which is near the mediterranean. . . . .apples DO NOT grow in the mediterranean....

discuss.

1.) the idea of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Eden being an apple tree was made up long after the bible was published. There's no mention of apples in the bible whatsoever

2.) The story is a metaphor for the evolution of human concsciousness at the point where we began to perceive the false duality between good and evil. Don't woory most christians don't get it either .

3.)there was no Cain, Abel, adam, or eve, This story too is a metaphor. Again most Christians cant wrap their heads around that either.

adidasss · 04-03-2009, 09:19 AM

^^ I didn't know you knew most Christians...

SATCHMO · 04-03-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

^^ I didn't know you knew most Christians...

Here we go.....

333 · 04-03-2009, 09:24 AM

First of all, I am not affiliated with any organized religion, much less Christianity. To assume that most people on this forum are Christians is kind of ignorant to me because you truly don't know the answer to that.

Now, when we speak of religion, Christianity is NOT the only religion that can be refuted. I view Christianity as the dominating religion - not just over other religions, but (and this is where some of you might feel I'm getting conspiratorial) I believe that Christianity is another tool the (American) government uses to control its people. As a whole, it's used to deteriorate any self-confidence, individuality and independent thinking. I just want to clarify, at this moment, that I used to be a Christian, went to church regularly and attended a Christian school for a year. Needless to say, even at 13 years old, the **** that went on at church services and schools didn't fly with me. It's some of the worse feelings I've ever felt being there. I've never felt more judged in my life than in a church. I'm not saying there aren't good Christians out there. Nor am I saying they are all evil, but much of what I'm getting at is that a lot of Christians aren't typically open-minded to different lifestyles, religions, ideas and people. Another thing I think we don't take into consideration a lot of the times is that these same people exist in other religions as well. This, I know, is an extremely controversial topic for many people, and I'm open to discuss it more. For now, I'd prefer to keep it vague and take a step back and see what everyone else has to say. It is possible to have this conversation without hostility and I'd like to see it happen that way. Lastly, I have a video on religion roughly 10-15 minutes long, explaining the origins and history of Christianity. If anyone is interested, PM me, but I won't post it so soon in the conversation.

333 · 04-03-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

1.) the idea of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Eden being an apple tree was made up long after the bible was published. There's no mention of apples in the bible whatsoever

2.) The story is a metaphor for the evolution of human concsciousness at the point where we began to perceive the false duality between good and evil. Don't woory most christians don't get it either .

3.)there was no Cain, Abel, adam, or eve, This story too is a metaphor. Again most Christians cant wrap their heads around that either.

How did I know you were going to be the first to answer?

SATCHMO · 04-03-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 333

How did I know you were going to be the first to answer?

It's not too much of a guessing game is it?

Guybrush · 04-03-2009, 09:35 AM

I couldn't be christian and take the bible literally .. Very few christians I've ever met actually do that at all!

By the way, I'm not a christian. Just wanna point it out. :p

adidasss · 04-03-2009, 09:38 AM

Well you obviously haven't met most of them...

**Janszoon** · 04-03-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

By the way, I'm not a christian. Just wanna point it out. :p

Also not a Christian here. Not surprisingly I don't buy into a much of the Bible either.

04-03-2009, 08:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
pahuuuta Craziest Thing Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York Posts: 459	How Real Is Christianity? Well, im probably going to guess most people on here are christians, and sorry to say that i'm not and the bible just doesnt give me enough faith to believe in god, im the kind of person that has to see it to believe it, whether or not that is a good or bad thing. anyway i was reading bits and pieces of the bible and it just has some flaws in it, lets list some shall we? firstly, the snake taunted adam and eve with a apple from the tree in the garden of eden, correct? the garden of eden "was" located in israel, which is near the mediterranean. . . . .apples DO NOT grow in the mediterranean.... secondly, at one point there was only cain, able and adam and eve, so think about this, where did cain's wife come from? i will become a christian right now if someone answers that question for me, to this day no one can answer it, it was used in the Scopes Trial (1925). NO ONE CAN ANSWER IT, where did she come from. So seeing as how not even the biggest christian can answer this question, i will have to say there is no way to defend the biblical record. . . . discuss. __________________ *He Who Makes A Beast Out Of Himself Gets Rid Of The Pain Of Being A Man*

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adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	^^ I didn't know you knew most Christians... __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I couldn't be christian and take the bible literally .. Very few christians I've ever met actually do that at all! By the way, I'm not a christian. Just wanna point it out. :p __________________ Something Completely Different

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04-03-2009, 09:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
333 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 965	First of all, I am not affiliated with any organized religion, much less Christianity. To assume that most people on this forum are Christians is kind of ignorant to me because you truly don't know the answer to that. Now, when we speak of religion, Christianity is NOT the only religion that can be refuted. I view Christianity as the dominating religion - not just over other religions, but (and this is where some of you might feel I'm getting conspiratorial) I believe that Christianity is another tool the (American) government uses to control its people. As a whole, it's used to deteriorate any self-confidence, individuality and independent thinking. I just want to clarify, at this moment, that I used to be a Christian, went to church regularly and attended a Christian school for a year. Needless to say, even at 13 years old, the **** that went on at church services and schools didn't fly with me. It's some of the worse feelings I've ever felt being there. I've never felt more judged in my life than in a church. I'm not saying there aren't good Christians out there. Nor am I saying they are all evil, but much of what I'm getting at is that a lot of Christians aren't typically open-minded to different lifestyles, religions, ideas and people. Another thing I think we don't take into consideration a lot of the times is that these same people exist in other religions as well. This, I know, is an extremely controversial topic for many people, and I'm open to discuss it more. For now, I'd prefer to keep it vague and take a step back and see what everyone else has to say. It is possible to have this conversation without hostility and I'd like to see it happen that way. Lastly, I have a video on religion roughly 10-15 minutes long, explaining the origins and history of Christianity. If anyone is interested, PM me, but I won't post it so soon in the conversation.