mr dave |
04-24-2009 03:42 PM |
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Originally Posted by tore
(Post 645686)
The "you brought it on yourself" piece of the argument that I see some pro-lifers use seems almost a bit vindictive. So people that are immature should not have sex. You know what? I agree with that. However, that doesn't stop immature people from having sex. What do you do when they do get pregnant? Are you gonna say "well, tough **** kiddo" and that's your argument for denying them abortion?
To me, that seems more rooted in bitterness than any kind of logic. In other words, I don't think that's something worthy of basing an important moral decision on.
And what does it matter to you if those immature kids do get an abortion? You think getting pregnant and having an abortion is not a bad experience for a young mother? You think she can't learn from that and is just gonna go out there and get pregged up again?
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man it feels like i'm always defending myself against you and booboo... when we're on the same side... :p: i just wrote my post last night at the end of my day and used the same level of crass vernacular as the people who would post funny pics of dead baby bumper stickers.
although, i DO side with the 'tough luck kiddo' angle on things that's really for those who want to use the practice for selfish reasons. if there are health risks, or the pregnancy is due to rape, then that's a different situation. on the other hand if it's just some irresponsible teen who wants to be able to continue acting like an irresponsible teen... then no, i very much disagree with the practice.
while some will learn from their mistake there are plenty of others who simply want to use it to be able to continue enjoying the irresponsible lifestyle they had prior to potentially being forced to step up to the responsibility they created for themselves. i'm thinking it might be a geographical difference, i see a very immature and irresponsible sense of entitlement developing quite a bit throughout north america, it just might not be as prevalent in scandanavian countries (you guys don't seem nearly as dumb/childish).
as for the morals behind my views. personally i don't believe in full on intercourse with someone unless i'm comfortable with the idea of living another lifetime through their eyes. that's what i see a baby as, it's an extension of my existence through another body, the ONLY way to continue living beyond my own lifetime. it's like creating a backup of myself and my partner to be housed in either hemisphere of the brain of the new individual she'll carry in her womb. as such i just can't bring myself to randomly do it without protection with various women just because i can. i guess i respect myself too much to risk trapping / wasting my real future.
like booboo said, the fundamentalists are making this argument really challenging. killing doctors who perform the practice does not help the cause, bloody posters on the side of the highway neither. forcing the idea of abstinence to a bunch of teenagers is the dumbest crap ever. education is the key. real, honest, education that is.
i'm not religious, i don't see the need to believe in god to be a responsible adult. if i can choose to be responsible so can anyone else. it's just a matter of shoving your ego off to the side long enough to do what you need instead of what you want.
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