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Originally Posted by mr dave
i really think this is a reflection of the differences between our societies. the 'tough luck kid' argument doesn't get taken that seriously here either BUT... i'm willing to bet the reasons are different. your society seems to be more willing to take personal responsibility for their actions, it's not as self-centered. north america has developed a wicked sense of entitlement over the last few decades, the attitude wouldn't be taken seriously because people want to do what they want, when they want, without being held responsible for their actions because it's anyone but their own fault.
how often do you hear people defending their destructive behavior with 'it's just how i am, i can't help it' or 'it's not my fault, it's the way our society is'. it's BS and i'd like to think most of us can agree on that.
if you're capable of recognizing yourself as more than a biological function you should be able to control yourself as more than one as well. of course the urge to have sex would be our strongest, it does stand to reason that the only method of survival for the species would be its most intense and advanced basic instinct.
education not abstinence is the key
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I think I agree with you and I do think that taking reponsibility of your life and the situation you're in and then owning up to that is admirable and something people should strive for. Another popular example of people who don't that I see on the TV are fat people who blame their genes. They turn the problem from being caused by behaviour which they can control to being caused by genes which they can't so that they can feel happily helpless about it. However, no matter how you twist and turn it, genes don't make you fat .. It's eating 6 pounds of junk food every day that does it.
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Originally Posted by Thrice
Well then, since it seems being 'Pro-Life' is more political than moral, I'll resign my statement of being 'Pro-Life' and just say I am against abortion. Abortion does not sway my vote what so ever in elections. Also, on the sexist issue, I feel thats why women should be even more responsible because they do not only have to worry about the child and pregnancy, but also the father or lack there of.
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Abortion is a moral dilemma so politicians go about it with moral arguments. Of course we have morale in politics. The pro-life way would be by passing a law that forbids abortions .. I just don't think the "tough luck kiddo" is a good enough moral basis for such a law.
To me, thinking practically, I think of unwanted pregnancy as a problem in society. Abortion provides a means to help society deal with that problem. Then you have people who want to keep the problem and remove the solution. Why? It just seems counter-productive. I'm all for people taking responsibility of themselves and their actions and as you probably know, I've been in a sticky situation already and I owned up to it. That doesn't mean I would prefer to have no choice in the matter.
04-26-2009, 01:40 AM
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