Don't Ask Don't Tell

Bane of your existence · 05-27-2009, 06:06 PM

Air Force is different. Rank is based entirely on test scores, time in grade, and EPR's. Sleeping with an officer wont help either. (maybe effect your EPR slightly, but it's doubtful) I had something going with my OIC when I first got in. All I got was an annoying clingy girl that thought there was nothing weird about messing around with her annoying little yippy dog crawling on top while we were doing stuff. I still had to wait the three years to put on E-4 like everyone else, and still had to wait the year and a half and get the score to put on E-5 recently.

crash_override · 05-28-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bane of your existence

Air Force is different. Rank is based entirely on test scores, time in grade, and EPR's. Sleeping with an officer wont help either. (maybe effect your EPR slightly, but it's doubtful) I had something going with my OIC when I first got in. All I got was an annoying clingy girl that thought there was nothing weird about messing around with her annoying little yippy dog crawling on top while we were doing stuff. I still had to wait the three years to put on E-4 like everyone else, and still had to wait the year and a half and get the score to put on E-5 recently.

Damn dude, thats risky buisness. I put on E-4 in 7 months (no big deal) and Navy does advancement exams also. But evaluations weigh very heavily on advancement as well. Basically it comes down to a decision board that decides who make it and who doesn't by looking at you on paper. So if you have the person writing you eval in your pocket then you have a serious advantage even if you test like a rock. Maybe in the air force its different, in fact im almost sure of it. But regardless, my point is that in the Navy, favoritism is a fairly big issue.

p.s. Is it rue you guys take your PRT on bikes?

Freebase Dali · 05-28-2009, 01:54 PM

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Damn dude, thats risky buisness. I put on E-4 in 7 months (no big deal) and Navy does advancement exams also. But evaluations weigh very heavily on advancement as well. Basically it comes down to a decision board that decides who make it and who doesn't by looking at you on paper. So if you have the person writing you eval in your pocket then you have a serious advantage even if you test like a rock. Maybe in the air force its different, in fact im almost sure of it. But regardless, my point is that in the Navy, favoritism is a fairly big issue.

p.s. Is it rue you guys take your PRT on bikes?

The army's method of advancement is truly jacked up.
E1-E4 is automatic unless you're flagged for fuckin' up... which is ok. But to advance from E4 to E5 (NCO from there up), you need the obvious time in grade / time in service, and... points.
Some MOS' points are extremely high (798) and some are low, which is dependent on how many slots for E-5 there currently is in the MOS.
To obtain these points, all you do is take a crap-load of army correspondence courses (which is a matter of copy+pasting from answer discs), score well on PT, marksmanship, plus any awards you have, and turn them into S-2 and they add to your points based on that.
After that, you go to a promotion board, in which the panel asks you a bunch of stupid questions. If you go to a board, you automatically get more points. If they decide to say you're promotable, then all you have to do from that point is wait until the point cutoff drops for your MOS. Then you're promoted. OR... you can get an auto promotion if your MOS needs more NCO's.
The reason this is jacked up, is any piece of shit E-4 can easily become an lower end NCO... NCO's are the guys doing the leadership. What you end up with is a bunch of 20 year old kids wearing stripes and setting all the wrong examples, making bad decisions, etc.
The process is the same for advancement to E-6.
E-7 and up is a selection process, and it revolves around your "NCOER" (kinda like a record of your accomplishments and fuck ups... and a photograph of yourself. If you don't look like upper enlisted material, you simply don't make it.

Oh, and I wish we did PT tests on a bike. That would have been sweet.

boo boo · 05-27-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Oh hey I'm President Obama. I said I would reppeal Don't Ask Don't Tell and even campaigned on that promise - you know the one that it was absurd to deny talented men and woman the right to serve their country. Forget all that though. Right now I'd rather let the Bush administration get away with murder and pretend certain atrocities never happened while a talented and much needed translator is fired for a biological condition which impairs his work in no conceivable way. YES WE CAN!

That's a hardcore leftie socialist for ya.

Anywho. Just for fun.

Bane of your existence · 05-28-2009, 03:46 PM

I wish we did PT tests on bikes too, but alas, it is a rumor I'm guessing started by you Army fucks (veridical).
AF doesn't have evaluation boards until you get up into SNCO ranks. For E-5 and E-6, you just use your score and your EPR. Most everyone gets 5's on their EPR's, which is max, so that's why it doesn't matter if you've kissed ass or not. That score's probably the same for everyone. So all you really have to go on is scores and time in grade.

Freebase Dali · 05-28-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bane of your existence

I wish we did PT tests on bikes too, but alas, it is a rumor I'm guessing started by you Army fucks (veridical).
AF doesn't have evaluation boards until you get up into SNCO ranks. For E-5 and E-6, you just use your score and your EPR. Most everyone gets 5's on their EPR's, which is max, so that's why it doesn't matter if you've kissed ass or not. That score's probably the same for everyone. So all you really have to go on is scores and time in grade.

Whaa?
So I'm guessing Navy guys don't really have sex with each other for PT tests, and Marines don't really have timed kitten stomping sessions for PT... and AF guys run!

What a lie I've been living.
This changes everything.

crash_override · 05-29-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction

Whaa?
So I'm guessing Navy guys don't really have sex with each other for PT tests, and Marines don't really have timed kitten stomping sessions for PT... and AF guys run!

What a lie I've been living.
This changes everything.

So I'm guessing this isn't normal?

Freebase Dali · 05-29-2009, 05:07 PM

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So I'm guessing this isn't normal?

Hahahaha...
No, it's not normal. There are some bigguns in the Army, but they don't last very long. Once they pop tape, it's off to special populations... Guys like the one in that picture wouldn't have enough time in his entire military career to get back to a proper weight.

boo boo · 05-29-2009, 05:38 PM

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So I'm guessing this isn't normal?

Classic.

TheBig3 · 05-29-2009, 01:09 PM

thats amazing.

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05-27-2009, 06:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bane of your existence Such That Join Date: May 2007 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 1,197	Air Force is different. Rank is based entirely on test scores, time in grade, and EPR's. Sleeping with an officer wont help either. (maybe effect your EPR slightly, but it's doubtful) I had something going with my OIC when I first got in. All I got was an annoying clingy girl that thought there was nothing weird about messing around with her annoying little yippy dog crawling on top while we were doing stuff. I still had to wait the three years to put on E-4 like everyone else, and still had to wait the year and a half and get the score to put on E-5 recently.

05-28-2009, 03:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bane of your existence Such That Join Date: May 2007 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 1,197	I wish we did PT tests on bikes too, but alas, it is a rumor I'm guessing started by you Army fucks (veridical). AF doesn't have evaluation boards until you get up into SNCO ranks. For E-5 and E-6, you just use your score and your EPR. Most everyone gets 5's on their EPR's, which is max, so that's why it doesn't matter if you've kissed ass or not. That score's probably the same for everyone. So all you really have to go on is scores and time in grade.