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Old 06-18-2009, 07:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default So Iran's elections and that whole rioting thing

Yeah. I had my doubts about the results until Chavez weighted in.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Venezuela's Chavez backs Ahmadinejad amid Iranian protests - World AP - MiamiHerald.com

Anyway that's what I'm referring to. The election wasn't fair obviously (Mousavi lost his own hometown and results were announced before voting had even stopped in some places. Not to mention the results themselves.) I hope the protests have significant impact and that Ahmadinejad is removed from office - things like this are sickening. The Guardian has a good piece on this:

Wishful thinking from Tehran | Abbas Barzegar | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
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Old 06-19-2009, 04:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Chavez and Ahmadinejad "are guys who use the democratic process to consolidate power and then don't think the democratic process should be used to deny them power,"...
thats pretty much what Ahmadinejad said about the protestors, that they seemed only to want democracy if it yielded the outcome they where looking for.
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thats pretty much what Ahmadinejad said about the protestors, that they seemed only to want democracy if it yielded the outcome they where looking for.
Which would be a perfectly valid point if Ahmadinejad had actually won the election. The leaked results show Mousavi came first in a four horse race where Ahma only came third. The man who leaked the information is now conveniently dead as ethan pointed out.

People fail to realise the actual scale of the demonstrations, the uproar and actual importance of what is happening in Iran right now. CNN are reporting an nation divided, but Iran has never been so united. But, revolution must come from within, and I really hope the Iranians have the courage and power to overthrow the regime.

Also let's not forget, the sheer scale of the protestors alone is a testament to the fact that the vote was rigged.
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But, revolution must come from within, and I really hope the Iranians have the courage and power to overthrow the regime.
agreed.

Hoping is all very well though and it's important not to underestimate teh power of the elite who are controlling the police/military. From what I figure there are other more influential powers, mostly religious, in Iran than the state anyways.
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Well, the Ayatollah is pretty much in on it.

These cartoons explain the situation better than I can in my sleep deprived state:

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Old 06-19-2009, 07:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Chavez and Ahmadinejad "are guys who use the democratic process to consolidate power and then don't think the democratic process should be used to deny them power,"...
I think this is what Arlan Spector said too.

I'd bet they don't honestly know who one. I don't think they counted the first time.
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Old 06-19-2009, 08:17 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Ayotollah vs. Ayatollah, as far as I have read into it. One is anti-Ahmadinejad due to Ahmadinejad's outspoken attacks on corruption. The other, ruling Ayatollah knows that the other wants to come to power so to keep the other from raising more hell and getting more attention and power the rulling Ayotollah has leaned toward allowing a recount to get Moussavi in...either way doesn't matter because the "president" is an underling...

Problem is, if Moussavi gets in then America's "Democracy" gets in, which means another puppet for the US...and if Ahmadenijad stays in, we'll keep seeing signs on CNN in english for the obvious reason--to keep pressure on the ruling Ayotolah and keep building support for the other, more "democracy" friendly Ayotolah.

Pretty much either way you look at it, the US has its interests at stake, so there is contraversy on both sides of things.

The noteworthy thing is that polls taken before the election by OUT OF COUNTRY pollsters calling Iranians indicated an overwhelming lead for Ahmadenijad. Ultimately who the hell knows?
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Old 06-19-2009, 08:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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what makes you think its another U.S. puppet?
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what makes you think its another U.S. puppet?

I don't think it is...but from what I gather it seems we have really been breathing down their neck for some time, particularly the Bush Admin...all this stuff with nuclear weapons, boat attacks, misrepresenting things their prez has said, it's like we want them to do something that would allow us to intervene and, once again, "bring democracy" with us, build forts, take a part in their economy, etc. The usual interventionist policies as far as it appears to me.
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