The MB Class System
 

you're aware you're pretty retarded right?

A bit uncalled for.

well if its only a bit we've got bigger fish to fry.

Lets talk about whats an acceptilble contribution, and what - depite common civility - doesn't warrant discussion.

"this song is pretty retarded."

I'm going to ignore that this is barely a review, borderline offensive, and about as apathetic as it can get because hey, I posted the video. Say what you want.

"she does have one that is pretty good. Forgot the name of it."

I don't know what level of boredom prompts both the time and concept that this was worth reading but regardless, this isn't worth posting. You clearly have google and a myriad of other tools at hand. Use them, or don't waste our time.

"Also, i'd hit it."

I'm offended by the word "also" here because it implies there was something before this line.

In fact, given the sentence, this was the best "position" (no pun intended) in the whole thing.

But let me address something on assumption alone. I'm guessing because I'm a "mod" that my original reply was "out of line."

In fact because I'm a mod, its exactly in line. If this wasn't an established member I'd have deleted it as spam and probably banned the guy. Where it is, I want to express, albeit harshly, that I'm not going to entertain spammers just because we'd had dealing before.

Feel free to deabte me, but thats why I did what I did. And I'd do it again.

I'm not debating the inane posts in this thread, just the fact of anyone, especially a mod, resorting to calling a member retarded.

you're debating me calling someone retarded? Theres not much to debate, I did call him retarded.

What are you taking up an argument with? That I shouldn't?

Yeah, where's your policy now on insulting other members? Or is that a privilege reserved only for yourself?

Me personally? No, and I don't think I've given an infraction or a ban for anything like that period. I will delete them and tell people to stop needless spamming (like this) but I'd like to have this debate out so everyone gets the rationale.

I'm not here to make sure you guys don't hurt each others feelings, i'm here to make sure the board in enjoyable so that people stay. As i've shown you, its not in my idea of "enjoyable" that his post fell into.

As for you, my assumption is you feel that the memberbase can jump in here whole hog and I'm supposed to write back and say "gee sorry for being here guys but that isn't really what we're going for."

If it makes you feel better to attempt to turn this into class warfare on an internet forum feel free but you've still to tell me how that (the post) isn't on par with casual spam.

ToeandNo and the MB Class System
 

Like i said, the posts were lame, that's something I agree on. But you weren't addressing that in your post, all you did was to call a member a retard. I thought insulting members was looked down on here, no? And then I say it's a bit uncalled for you go off on a rant about the lame posts rather than the fact that you called someone.

And for the record, you have given out infractions for 'insulting' members, hardly setting the example for the rest of us here is it?

This site isn't fascist. You're just acting silly now. You insulted someone, which was then pointed out and you've gone all childish. And now another useless thread.

Hey Big3, I have a question.

WTF?

Its at least in an ont-opic thread - and if you want the debate, here it is.

Do you think I reserve rights for myself or don't you?

whats up?

What, mods can't have any fun?

Given the fact that you hand out infractions for insulting member, and then do the same, and then try and justify it...yes.

But this thread is ridiculous and should be closed.

No, Toeandno and his ilk want to pick out the "poor me, you mean old mods" card whenever they don't like something.

I don't hand out infractions for it, who did I give an infraction to?

also, you asked for this back and forth and you got it. I want people to see how the rationale of people work here, so tell me what you think I should have done.

You should have addressed the fact that the thread was going nowhere, either closed it or told people to post something worth reading. Saying 'you're retarded' to a poster doesn't address any of that.

I agree that this is a pointless thread and considering the direction it's heading I'd strongly recommend you close this already.

and thats exactly my point.

Members can roll in and make a post like his, and I'm supposed to pussyfoot around the issue.

Wrong.

His word choice was put back on him. If you don't like it, appeal to his better self-worth and have him change his diction. If he'd said "I don't care for this track" and I retorted with "I don't care for you."

a. this wouldn't be an issue

b. it would have been ignored as a bad joke

c. I wouldn't have responded the way I did

why?

Because BooBoo has sense as a mod, anyone can see where this is going.

I'm with Big3 (again) and for the record insults are only insults if they do not ring true. Otherwise they are simply a statement or expressed opinion, I think the term retard was used in it's slang form in which case it's 100% accurate.

Speaking from experience it's very fatiguing sifting through inane threads and posts especially from those posters who have a reputation for superfluous contribution.

I dunno, devoting a whole thread to calling another member a retard? That's kinda asking for a scene isn't it?

I mean why did you have to go through the trouble of making a thread? Couldn't you just rebute him on the thread where he made that original comment?

i couldn't care less if mods insulted people, but when they get called out i'd like to see them show some maturity instead of throwing a little hissy fit at someone who is voicing his opinion.

And this is where we're going to differ.

The idea was presented that I was creating hypocracy by doing what I did.

I contest that I didn't.

If you want to Flesh this out before the back of them stack calling for a hanging - heres the place to do it. And I fully intend for this to be the place that issues are addressed.

Like the next time Unfan calls for Boo Boo's removal.

Well for crying out loud you could have at least told us what you actually intended this thread for on the first post, you're not very specific.

well the thread was created because it would have been wrong to continue to spam the Pop thread.

If it were germane to the topic I'd have left it where it was.

If a member is retarded, why is it a problem to call that member retarded?

Person A insults someone, person B says 'don't insult someone'.

Person B in the wrong. What's wrong with this picture?

But Darkest Hour is legitimately retarded...he thinks giants live in the interior of the earth. It's not an insult, just a statement of fact.

This is the discrepency we're debating. Its very evident from your own words that this didn't stay as simple as "person B."

If you wanted to contest my response alone - you did, and I explained myself. But you've taken it beyond that, and here we are.

Well come to think of it such a thread for addressing issues may not be a bad idea.

I don't think you started things off on a good note though. I worry that this might create some hostility between you and regular posters, I already have issues of my own, I'd hate to see you get into a similar situation.

No you took it beyond. I said one sentence 'a bit uncalled for' and then you took it to where it was.

But yet again, you still haven't backed up the point about insulting someone but yet inracting others for doing so.

And I've said from the jump I've not handed out infractions for that. So I'm not holding anyone to different standards.

People can read our exchange, and they are free to do so. But what you don't understand is from that side of the debate, statements like yours breed problems for anyone trying to regulate quality here.

We have members, regualr and otherwise who like to make hay out of nothing. And if I simply delete all this and close the thread it just bubbles up and causes more problems else where.

You can't simply bring up that there is a double standard and then retreat behind "all I said was be nice" because its causing unforseen issues down the road. If you think there is a double standard here, say so - but this won't be a coup while I'm in the debate.

1. You have handed out infractions for insulting people.

2. You insulted someone

3. When pointed out that this is hypocritical you blow it all up and make a crazy thread that brings into question the whole site and all mods, when really the point was at you alone.

People usually only get infractions for repeated insults, not just one.

Good, then the fact is that insulting shouldn't be done.

Can you not read? I want the name of someone I've given an infraction to.

And the attempt to paint me as crazy is one sentence from anticipation and some hope that you can win. I've laid out why things were done, and thats for people to judge on their own. Just the same, this debate couldn't have gone on in the Miley Cyrus thread - but I believe the debate should be had.

Its an exchange of ideas in a subforum of the lounge - it has a long reaching purpose and rationale.

Now, are you going to tell me I handed out infractions again?

...but...why?