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View Poll Results: What religion do you follow?
Christianity 38 20.43%
Buddhism 3 1.61%
Hinduism 1 0.54%
Islam 2 1.08%
Judaism 4 2.15%
Wiccanism 1 0.54%
Other established religion (feel free to post about it) 6 3.23%
Self-defined 25 13.44%
Don't follow any religion & don't believe in deities (atheist) 67 36.02%
Not Sure, undecided, don't know or don't care 39 20.97%
Sikhism 0 0%
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:53 PM   #881 (permalink)
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Old 02-08-2017, 03:44 PM   #882 (permalink)
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Denial of reality or the understanding of it is a problem. People also use their metaphysical beliefs to assess and criticize earthly reality. I'm not sure I understand where you're are coming from. It seems contradictory.
Not when the denial of reality is about something as metaphysical as God, in fact, it can not even be said to be a denial of reality as it's an unanswerable question to begin with

As I've already attempted to demonstrate people's interpretation of what God wants from them is conveniently the beliefs their culture already gave them
All holy texts are such a mash of contradictory ideas (as you would expect) that you can justify a multitude of beliefs, often contradictory, with the same book
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Old 02-08-2017, 03:49 PM   #883 (permalink)
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Duh. All ideologies are bad.
If that's your ideology
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Damn. You sure showed me. Mind blown.
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Old 02-09-2017, 12:21 AM   #885 (permalink)
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pretty sure you're not the only theist on mb.
Jftr I didn't say I was the only theist on MB. I said 'non anti-theist,' that still leaves the door open to being a agnostic and a soft atheist. You can split hairs with every category. Technically by some definitions theist do not believe in or have to believe in the Trinity. But for particle purposes lets acknowledge that most people consider Unitarians and Trinitarian as theist. I really don't know who on MB are religious, a soft atheist etc. the poll has votes by members who are long gone by now. The reason I said it because I feel like I am the only non anti-theist here, I understand that might not be so.
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Damn. You sure showed me. Mind blown.
my exact reaction to your previous post
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Jftr I didn't say I was the only theist on MB. I said 'non anti-theist,' that still leaves the door open to being a agnostic and a soft atheist. You can split hairs with every category. Technically by some definitions theist do not believe in or have to believe in the Trinity. But for particle purposes lets acknowledge that most people consider Unitarians and Trinitarian as theist. I really don't know who on MB are religious, a soft atheist etc. the poll has votes by members who are long gone by now. The reason I said it because I feel like I am the only non anti-theist here, I understand that might not be so.
I'm not an anti-theist. An anti-theist claims there is no god, I claim there is no reason to accept theistic claims of god as true aka an atheist (also a non anti-theist). I assume this is what you're referring to as a soft atheist.

Here is a good explanation if you want to better understand my position. If you're not as dense as the caller the first 6 or so minutes is all you really need to watch:

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I thought antitheism means a position of being opposed to belief in a God (this is the definition the Oxford dictionary gives for example)

not necessarily a position of believing there isn't a God

I actually do personally believe there is no God whatsoever
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I'm not an anti-theist. An anti-theist claims there is no god, I claim there is no reason to accept theistic claims of god as true aka an atheist (also a non anti-theist). I assume this is what you're referring to as a soft atheist.

Here is a good explanation if you want to better understand my position. If you're not as dense as the caller the first 6 or so minutes is all you really need to watch:

I don't get this need for the first thing an athiest wants to do is insult theists, people like Hamid. Now I have not aassumed any one on either side of the debate is dense, and I don't why you have to immediately say the caller Hamid is dense. The caller has his opinions, the host has opinions. The host acts like a preacher man cause he has an Amen choir, his sidekick. Athiest don't believe in God but they sure borrow heavily from church and religion. The only thing I fault Hamid for not knowing is that this is like a shell game, or guess a number. If they asked Hamid to guess a number they would be yelling "no, no, no" pretty the same way. They say "give me something to believe in" something like that, well it's obvious that they already made up their mind.

The host believe is all kind of stuff he can not prove, like the food he eats that isn't going to make him sick. He doesn't bring his take out to a lab to see if there is any thing in it that makes him sick. He just eats it, blinding believing the his take out isn't his last meal.
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Its just how logic works. Religion aside, did you understand the courtroom analogy or are you saying its wrong? I called Hamid dense because he understands the counter argument but purposefully denies it when he has no way to fit his religious assertion into the same logical process he would use else where.

As for your comments about believing other things without proof such as the safety of take out. There is a ton of evidence to suggest it is safe and eating something is not the same as asserting something. I can post another video that further addresses this with a theist caller I don't consider dense, no amen choir, and less verbal aggression if you think it will help.

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I thought antitheism means a position of being opposed to belief in a God (this is the definition the Oxford dictionary gives for example)

not necessarily a position of believing there isn't a God

I actually do personally believe there is no God whatsoever
I could be wrong. That was always my understanding of the difference between anti theist and atheist. Never looked up the definition, just relied on its vernacular usage in the atheist discussions ive heard.
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