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Scarlett O'Hara 11-27-2009 03:18 PM

Has the world become too PC?
 
What do you guys think? I think that there is too much acceptance, like anything goes these days. Are we really PC or is it just a front?

LoathsomePete 11-27-2009 03:27 PM

Oh the world has become incredibly politically correct, do you remember when Christmas Break was called Christmas Break back in school? Now it's called "Winter Break" and I can understand the other side's view, but c'mon. There's also a story I remember reading a few years ago at Sea-Tac Airport (Seattle/ Tacoma) where a Jewish man complained that they had Christmas trees up around the airport in the food court area. Arguably the UK has it the worse, like that village somewhere that changed the name of Spotted **** to Spotted Richard because ONE person snickered at it.

Janszoon 11-27-2009 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 773446)
What do you guys think? I think that there is too much acceptance, like anything goes these days. Are we really PC or is it just a front?

Are you talking about things being "anything goes" or you talking about things being PC? Because those two ideas are somewhat contradictory.

right-track 11-27-2009 03:33 PM

One of the most irritating phenomenons in modern history is political correctness. And it causes more harm than good.

To speak well of a base man is much the same as speaking ill of a good man. Leonardo da Vinci

Speak as you find...the rest is just bullshit! right-track

boo boo 11-27-2009 03:41 PM

I dunno.





Maybe.

LoathsomePete 11-27-2009 03:46 PM

Didn't Manhunt 2 have to get rerated because it was far to gruesome to get a mature rating?

Anyhow

Council turns 'offensive' Spotted Dick into Spotted Richard to spare blushes of diners | Mail Online

Janszoon 11-27-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 773474)
Didn't Manhunt 2 have to get rerated because it was far to gruesome to get a mature rating?

No. They censored it, the bastards.

boo boo 11-27-2009 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 773476)
No. They censored it, the bastards.

Ok, so maybe that was a bad example, but that was only for the Wii version right? And it being Nintendo should come as no surprise.

While we are on the topic of the media getting too carried away about a video game.



This is a high mark in Fox New's history of idiocy.

"Who plays video games? Adolescent males, not their dads".

What a stupid bitch.

I mean seriously these people have no idea who the modern demographic for video games are, many gamers are full grown adults and if you think a goddamn RPG that's rated M is being marketed towards kids you're a bloody moron.

Oh? And the controversy? The thing that made this guy call it Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas? It's all over an incredibly brief shot of some blue chick's butt and right side boob, truly a sign of the end times.

I mean, this is FoxNews, owned by the same guy who owns the Fox network which has always been a channel specializing in sex and violence.

I mean, you can show us COPS where there's some crazy foul mouthed redneck covered in blood, running around naked and defecating in the street after busting his wife's face up with a golf club but god f*cking forbid you show some hot alien chick's blue ass cheeks.

sidewinder 11-27-2009 04:04 PM

Yeah I think we're definitely too PC these days.

Merry holidays everyone! Enjoy your winter festivus!

Janszoon 11-27-2009 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 773481)
Ok, so maybe that was a bad example, but that was only for the Wii version right? And it being Nintendo should come as no surprise.

I think it was censored in all incarnations. Wikipedia mentions a hack for the PSP and PS2 versions that removes the filters which definitely implies that those versions were also censored.

music_phantom13 11-27-2009 04:29 PM

Yeah or GTA... it had some minigame that wasn't used in the game where you ****ed your girlfriend, and people released a mod activating the code. They had to rerelease the game so it wasn't rated AO. That's just retarded, because it's something you have to actively search out and download to add to the game... stupid if you ask me.

Oh, and they also had lines like "Kill the Haitian ****heads" when fighting the Haitian gang, and Rockstar had to change the subtitles or be sued for racism...

NumberNineDream 11-27-2009 04:39 PM

Just look at the evolution of the "vampire" image. From the 1920's Nosferatu, the vampire that represents the incarnation of all sexual perversions to 2008's Twilight where we see a puritan representing the vampire race.
And still old people whine about what's happening with the kids of today, when they themselves have lived through the drugs and the orgies of the 60s.

I don't think anything actually goes these days, Tom&Jerry these days are considered pure violence.

Astronomer 11-27-2009 04:44 PM

I think the main indication of political correctness gone overboard is the constant changing of certain terms or words to describe things in a constant battle to be 'politically correct.' After working with children with disabilities for a few years, the terms used to refer to the students constantly changed in order to be politically correct and inoffensive.

The same goes with many other aspects of society, including the correct terms to use to name a certain race, or job, or medical condition, everything. I think it's just crazy. I'll say a particular word or phrase and I'll get the, "Oh, that phrase isn't used anymore because it's not politically correct, now we say ______."

Janszoon 11-27-2009 04:45 PM

I think one of the interesting things about political correctness is how it's become such a convenient dodge for bigots to defend themselves against criticism by simply accusing people around them of being too PC.

right-track 11-27-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 773513)
I think one of the interesting things about political correctness is how it's become such a convenient dodge for bigots to defend themselves against criticism by simply accusing people around them of being too PC.

It goes far deeper than that.
An example of political correctness gone wrong in the case of racism was made when some local government do-gooders decided it wasn't right to allow the George flag to be flown from the town halls on St. Georges day so as not to offend the local Asian communities.
The local Asian's were appalled at this bit of 'initiative' because it only went to fuel the distrust.
Instead of people thinking "fair enough" it caused an outrage and consequently had an adverse effect because the more ignorant among the population blamed the asians for being behind the idea.
In reality it couldn't have been further from the truth.
Political correctness is a dangerous thing and an insult to an individuals intelligence.

mr dave 11-27-2009 05:07 PM

the worse thing about political correctness is that it encourages reverse racism and cultural segregation. the intent was good but the execution has proven flawed.... we don't make Ghettos anymore they're called 'Ethnic Villages'... it's OK now... it's a 'nice' term.

Urban Hat€monger ? 11-27-2009 05:07 PM

My Dad lost his leg in a motorcycle accident when he was in his teens.

A couple of years ago he was watching some medical documentary where the term amputee was considered negative and it was thought that people who had lost limbs would be offended or annoyed by it and so they made up this politically correct term where instead of focusing on the lost limb they'd concentrate on the remaining ones, so any amputee would be known as being 'Tri-limbed'.

He thought it was a bad joke.

Freebase Dali 11-27-2009 05:15 PM

lmao @ Tri-limbed.
That sounds more derogatory than Amputee.

It's like calling someone with glasses '4-eyes', and the reasoning behind it being focusing on the strength rather than the weakness. What a load.

right-track 11-27-2009 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 773528)
lmao @ Tri-limbed.
That sounds more derogatory than Amputee.

It's like calling someone with glasses '4-eyes', and the reasoning behind it being focusing on the strength rather than the weakness. What a load.

Or jackhammer...follically challenged.

Freebase Dali 11-27-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 773530)
Or jackhammer...follically challenged.

lol
That too.

Or "Aerodynamically superior".

right-track 11-27-2009 05:24 PM

Baldylocks.

pourmeanother 11-27-2009 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus (Post 773511)
I think the main indication of political correctness gone overboard is the constant changing of certain terms or words to describe things in a constant battle to be 'politically correct.' After working with children with disabilities for a few years, the terms used to refer to the students constantly changed in order to be politically correct and inoffensive.

Yeah, is it still "differently abled"? I remember that term changing often, trying to spin it to be more positive. What was funny to me was that I got called out in training on time for saying "special needs", which, apparently, paints them in a negative light. But then I was taught that groups of them are called "special abilities clusters". Yes, because I'm sure they like being called SACs. Teehee, sack...

Michael Scott: "You don't call retarded people retards. It's bad taste. You call your friends retards when they are acting retarded." :)

loveissucide 11-27-2009 05:44 PM

I don't think political correctness has gone mad.Myself and a mate worked out what racist terms still offend people. The n-word dosn't but the b one does.

Neapolitan 11-27-2009 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide (Post 773542)
I don't think political correctness has gone mad. A mate and I worked out what racist terms still offend people. The n-word doesn't but the b one does.

How did you work that one out? Did you and your friend go around calling people racial epithets and write down their reactions - like a couple of name-calling anoraks?

mr dave 11-27-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 773634)
How did you work that one out? Did you and your friend go around calling people racial epithets and write down their reactions - like a couple of name-calling anoraks?

hmmm... feigned offense at possible name calling while name calling.

well played sir... well played indeed.

Seltzer 11-28-2009 02:41 AM

Extreme PCness drives me up the wall but thankfully I don't have to tolerate much of it on a daily basis. I have a fair few Asian mates at uni and we all greet each other with a healthy 'herro' and everyone happily gets on with their lives.

I maintain that a glimpse through the smokescreen of many of these self-righteous PC wankers would reveal a lot of racist and prejudiced individuals. Just because they don't put it out in the open for everyone to see doesn't make it ok... and trying to mask it under a smarmy sanctimonious guise is frankly just insulting to the rest of us.

Someone snapped at me recently for using the term 'mentally retarded' and I was like wtf, 'retard' doesn't have to be an insult... the French use 'en retard' to mean late and we use retardation to mean deceleration.



I saw a facebook group the other day and the description really struck a chord:

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New Zealand is a multicultural country. Anyone who has ever visited South Auckland, Howick or been inside a dairy knows this. And yet we can claim to be one of the most racially harmonious societies in the world.

Why is this?

Because we keep our senses of humour. And this includes our ability to be casually racist, and for people of that ethnic group to laugh at it and return in kind. I am Indian and Fijian, and I expect nothing less from my honky and ***** friends to abuse me for this. And they expect the same from me. Then we laugh about it, get a beer and all is well.

And this works. People from less tolerant cultures often report that the kind of things we say in New Zealand to each other would get you beaten and/or killed in their countries. Yet New Zealand has one of the lowest rates of hate crime in the Western world.

Why? It's because of our ability to laugh at each other, and ourselves, without causing harm. This is a great thing about this country and I for one want to keep it that way.

However, in recent times, the PC-wanker brigade are putting this facet of Kiwi life under threat, with events like the removal of a mildly controversial Hell Pizza billboard among others.

What these bleeding heart do-gooders don't realise is that in taking away our ability to poke fun at other races, we are not breeding a less racist society, we are building a more racially tense society which will only divide us, not unite us. Do we want to turn out like America, where race becomes a defining factor in every facet of our everyday life rather than an afterthought like it is for most people?

Sure, New Zealand's not perfect. But compared to other countries, it's pretty ****in' good. And so I, along with my white, Maori, Asian, Pacific Islander, African and everyone else I've missed brothers and sisters stand up and untie in the cause of smart arse casual middle class racism!

The Monkey 12-02-2009 10:30 AM

It has never been politically incorrect. In fact, some of the behaviour in TV in terms of sex, violence and profanity they would never have gotten away with in the 50s and 60s. Or in terms of music, listen to the lyrics of any family-friendly pop artist in the 50s and 60s and compare it to much of today's music. Hell, even Lennon harmless comment about being bigger that Jesus caused a huge ****storm.

People seriously need to stop thinking that the world was better in the past. It wasn't.

Besides, I'm fed up with the entire concept. Criticizing political correctness is so common nowadays that it's almost politically incorrect not to do it. Even the nazis whine about it.

Scarlett O'Hara 12-07-2009 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey (Post 776302)
It has never been politically incorrect. In fact, some of the behaviour in TV in terms of sex, violence and profanity they would never have gotten away with in the 50s and 60s. Or in terms of music, listen to the lyrics of any family-friendly pop artist in the 50s and 60s and compare it to much of today's music. Hell, even Lennon harmless comment about being bigger that Jesus caused a huge ****storm.

People seriously need to stop thinking that the world was better in the past. It wasn't.

Besides, I'm fed up with the entire concept. Criticizing political correctness is so common nowadays that it's almost politically incorrect not to do it. Even the nazis whine about it.

Some people do prefer the thinking of old, such as ***s are immoral, porn is immoral etc. Nowdays it's all just accepted, it's part of the norm, but is this what we want to be passing onto our children? That doing anything and everything is okay? Is Paris Hilton the new Elvis?

The Monkey 12-07-2009 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 779640)
Some people do prefer the thinking of old, such as ***s are immoral, porn is immoral etc. Nowdays it's all just accepted, it's part of the norm, but is this what we want to be passing onto our children? That doing anything and everything is okay? Is Paris Hilton the new Elvis?

So you perceive that "immorality" has been normalized, while other feel that the world is too political correct. Aren't these two contradictory ideas? Doesn't this indicate that they're very different trends in society depending on the observer?

In any case, it seems strange to me that it (at least in America, as far as I've noted) seems to be the conservatives that are whining about political correctness, then in the form of no school prayers and actions on global warming. The conservatives are hiding under the concept of opposition to political correctness to spout any homophobic, misogynistic, islamophobic bullshit they please and not expect to be criticized for it.

Captain Awesome 12-07-2009 04:39 AM

yes, the world (the western world at least) has definitley became too pc.

asshat 12-08-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 773524)
the worse thing about political correctness is that it encourages reverse racism and cultural segregation. the intent was good but the execution has proven flawed.... we don't make Ghettos anymore they're called 'Ethnic Villages'... it's OK now... it's a 'nice' term.

I think that "reverse racism" is b.s.--first because racism is racism no matter who it's directed towards, and second because it's used by people who think that white guys are being opressed, which is another joke.

Political Correctness is stupid, but I don't think it's a case of one race opressing the others. I think it's a useful tool for white liberals, and big businesses to appear progressive while at the same time not taking any effort in stopping real discrimination.

..and n--ger was never a polite term, even amongst the southern slave masters.

mr dave 12-08-2009 03:09 PM

yeah i think we're taking the 'reverse racism' thing from two different directions. the way i intended it wasn't white vs non-white but more in line with the ethnic villages bs. the segregation still happens based on race but now it's through 'positive' connotations which is why i think the racism has become reversed.

not 'dey tuk ma jarb!'

Farfisa 12-08-2009 03:14 PM

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Scarlett O'Hara 12-08-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 780713)
yeah i think we're taking the 'reverse racism' thing from two different directions. the way i intended it wasn't white vs non-white but more in line with the ethnic villages bs. the segregation still happens based on race but now it's through 'positive' connotations which is why i think the racism has become reversed.

not 'dey tuk ma jarb!'

I totally agree with that, you can still be racist even if you call them a so-called postive term.

Neapolitan 12-08-2009 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by asshat (Post 780559)
I think that "reverse racism" is b.s.--first because racism is racism no matter who it's directed towards, and second because it's used by people who think that white guys are being opressed, which is another joke.

You are right you may believe "White guys" can not be oppressed. But there are people out there that don't like "Whites." It suprises me how many people believe "White guys" have a cake walk through life, and somehow there are immune to suffering, they have no cross to bare in life, and no tragedy befalls them.

asshat 12-08-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 781046)
You are right you may believe "White guys" can not be oppressed. But there are people out there that don't like "Whites." It suprises me how many people believe "White guys" have a cake walk through life, and somehow there are immune to suffering, they have no cross to bare in life, and no tragedy befalls them.

Individual white guys face the same problems as everyone,sure, I'm just saying that anyone who argues that they face institutional discrimination is off their rocker.(apart from Zimbabwe and south africa)

TheBig3 12-16-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by asshat (Post 781048)
Individual white guys face the same problems as everyone,sure, I'm just saying that anyone who argues that they face institutional discrimination is off their rocker.(apart from Zimbabwe and south africa)

uh, you know I'm not sure how I feel about that. Because while people have general attitudes towards groups, they rarely translate to a direct individual unless you only know them as a part of that group.

i.e. I know bill's black, but I don't know bill.

I used to speak to a guy from Texas and we got onto the subject of how homosexuals were taken down there in Dixie. He said to me "you know I'm sure they don't like *** people, but if they'd met a *** guy, they'd probably like him just fine. You know 'i hate ***s, but jim's cool'"

That being said, there are many hurdles people face that aren't race related, but could be seen as inhibiting as racism - its just not as ugly a mark on society as racism is. I routinely reject overqualified people when I'm hiring because they tend to fly the coup in 6 months time.

People would find that reasonable. But I don't think its any less daunting a hurdle to overcome. If people don't like you - for whatever reason it is - you still need to find a way to get around that.

Racism I think has been perceived as something thats constant and ubiquitus. I don't think thats true but what do I know? Thats just my 2 cents from my own experience.

Neapolitan 12-16-2009 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 785636)
I used to speak to a guy from Texas and we got onto the subject of how homosexuals were taken down there in Dixie. He said to me "you know I'm sure they don't like *** people, but if they'd met a *** guy, they'd probably like him just fine.

When you say "taken down" do mean tackled?

Harry 12-21-2009 05:05 PM

Political correctness is stupid, in my opinion. People need to learn how to suck it up.
And "reverse-racism" is alive, regardless of denial. Look at aspects in American culture specifically like Affirmative Action. Perhaps it was a good thing when first instilled, but if I were applying to a uni in the US, had the same credentials, even a bit better, as a black man, I'd be righed pissed if I didn't get in JUST because they were black.

I believe you all should recall that incident with the promotional firefighter test? Went to court and such. Things like that happen a lot nowadays because it's the PC thing to do, and because companies and unis have quotas to have this many black people, this many minorities. Ridiculous.

loveissucide 12-21-2009 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 788191)
Political correctness is stupid, in my opinion. People need to learn how to suck it up.

I'm quite glad one can't use words like N*****,D*****,Q****,F*****,K***,Y**etc on the grounds that it's just a joke anymore and that the words have connonations of discrimination,slavery,and injustice attached to them.But then I suppose I'm some sort of pinko liberal.


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