Music Education in Public Schools

Arya Stark · 02-03-2010, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Lets, for the sake of argument, say that it does help develop brains.

Is the quality you get in schools worth the effort?

The quality we get in schools?
I know not all schools are like mine, but I began learning three instruments in high school alone.
I played one in elementary.
And I started learning all of the percussion in junior high.

Rickenbacker · 02-03-2010, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Seltzer

Music should be a secondary subject in high school as time and effort is better spent educating students in maths, English and science to a lesser degree. I think it should be mandatory in primary school though... my only complaint there is that singing along to Yellow Submarine and Octopus' Garden every day for a year tends to ruin them for years afterwards... can't teachers stick to shitty songs like Puff the Magic Dragon and the Wheels on the Bus?

Puff the Magic Dragon >>>>>>> Octopus' Garden

Burning Down · 02-03-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickenbacker

Puff the Magic Dragon >>>>>>> Octopus' Garden

Oh, agreed. I love that song

Vancouver · 02-03-2010, 11:08 AM

I fell asleep on my xylophone in class.. it leaves some strange marks.

bandteacher1 · 02-17-2010, 01:28 PM

I'm only slightly bias.

But from a facts stand point, students who have music or any other art, do better on the PSATs, SATs, MCAS (Mass State testing), applications to college, in the work force, and of course, in the Military. Learning an instrument teaches discipline, and commitment. It also provides an outlet for students. A place to spend energy. It's a place for the student to let go of anger or hate or any other feelings they keep bottled up.

Districts have the info, yet they cut music and art programs more and more every semester. And the districts that don't have music or art programs do WORSE all around, 90% of the time. 9/10 students in these districts fail more than half their classes.

P A N · 02-17-2010, 01:38 PM

i really like the post above me.

music doesn't make you smart, but it's a solid workout for your brain every time you work at it. this means your brain just works better with music than without.

that SHOULD be 'nuff said. but i would like to add that there might be a connection between the education systems' eagerness to push it off the map and the world leaders' eagerness to govern a stupid, complacent people. if you don't think, you can't argue.

bandteacher1 · 02-17-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by zevokes

i really like the post above me.

music doesn't make you smart, but it's a solid workout for your brain every time you work at it. this means your brain just works better with music than without.

that SHOULD be 'nuff said. but i would like to add that there might be a connection between the education systems' eagerness to push it off the map and the world leaders' eagerness to govern a stupid, complacent people. if you don't think, you can't argue.

Oh so true. Think about it. When you're playing with an ensemble, you're doing so many things at once that your brain doesn't register all of it in your concious mind. You're: reading the music, watching the conductor, counting, playing the notes, recongizing what note on the staff relates to what pitch, using the correct amount of air or pressure to produce that note, using the correct amount of air or pressure for the dynamic marking, reading the dynamic markings, remembering what they mean, listening to yourself to make sure you're in tune and fixing the tone when you're not, listening to the rest of the ensemble for the dres.'s or cres.'s, harmonizing with the other members of your section, moving your fingers to change the pitch, articulating, reading the rythem, the list keeps going. That's a mental work out.

OceanAndSilence · 02-18-2010, 06:32 PM

what do you mean by an "actual" subject? I didn't even do music in school and I was terrible in pretty much all my subjects (albeit from laziness) and now I'm pursuing a career as a musician and actually becoming successful in it.

I don't think it's anyone's right to say what is more important in education, because we are usually educated for ulterior motives rather than discovering the individuals intelligence and potential.

my answer to your question is that it shouldn't be made an "actual" subject, because it isn't any less or more important in the views of a student that couldn't care less about what they are learning. people intrinsically seek knowledge and improvement in the subjects that interest them. intelligence is measured in so many ways, and to create a hierarchy for ANY subject seems a little silly to me.

did anyone watch these videos I posted a while back?

a more in-depth lecture;

needless to say, I agree with those^

View Poll Results: Should music education be omnipresent in public schools?
Yes, Music education should be top priority	4	15.38%
Muisc education should be in public schools, but second to actual subjects	18	69.23%
No, let any musical education be private.	4	15.38%
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02-03-2010, 11:08 AM	#34 (permalink)
Vancouver Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 188	I fell asleep on my xylophone in class.. it leaves some strange marks. __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/VancouverFlanke The face is familiar but I can't quite remember my name.

02-18-2010, 06:32 PM	#38 (permalink)
OceanAndSilence i write and play stuff Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 239	what do you mean by an "actual" subject? I didn't even do music in school and I was terrible in pretty much all my subjects (albeit from laziness) and now I'm pursuing a career as a musician and actually becoming successful in it. I don't think it's anyone's right to say what is more important in education, because we are usually educated for ulterior motives rather than discovering the individuals intelligence and potential. my answer to your question is that it shouldn't be made an "actual" subject, because it isn't any less or more important in the views of a student that couldn't care less about what they are learning. people intrinsically seek knowledge and improvement in the subjects that interest them. intelligence is measured in so many ways, and to create a hierarchy for ANY subject seems a little silly to me. did anyone watch these videos I posted a while back? a more in-depth lecture; needless to say, I agree with those^ __________________ http://www.myspace.com/chrisneto - tune in to chill out

02-17-2010, 01:38 PM	#36 (permalink)
P A N DO LIKE YOU. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 629	i really like the post above me. music doesn't make you smart, but it's a solid workout for your brain every time you work at it. this means your brain just works better with music than without. that SHOULD be 'nuff said. but i would like to add that there might be a connection between the education systems' eagerness to push it off the map and the world leaders' eagerness to govern a stupid, complacent people. if you don't think, you can't argue.