It's been close to a year... Thoughts on Obama

Yukon Cornelius · 04-01-2010, 10:35 PM

I feel with the reform that this is more than likely the first time the people were not heard, or rather not payed any attention to at all.

Let me start by saying that this does bring promise to struggling americans, but those on the boarder line will surely end up being rationed as well. My opinion on this (which is in fact mine) would be that it is going to push more americans to rely on our governments rations rather than working for a living. I personally feel this will push us closer into a socialist situation.

How? (This is opinion based Theory, All mine)

Well basically in my theory the government cannot control a free willed american as much as they will need to in order to call "All" the shots. So with our governement taxing the somewhat wealthy (who will obviously complain and look bad for it) to pay for this reform we are actually helping them gain 100% control of the low income section 8 people. How? Basically If I was to give you something for free you would like me, If I was to pay for your medical expenses you would love me, thus I would have a great deal of leverage over your thoughts and your voice, gaining control over a period of time until, I was your voice.

I'm not 100% sure how they will take out the people with very high incomes but I am positive they will. I assume some will be living beyond there means and slowly have to start settling for less over the years until finally they are in the same position as the rest of us. It may be tax hikes over and over until its unbearable or many other things.. Either way I'm just a touch curious on your thoughts and feelings in this matter since it will have a great impact on my kids and yours or eventually yours.

All ponder no proof... Just perceptions

Neapolitan · 04-01-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

I feel with the reform that this is more than likely the first time the people were not heard, or rather not payed any attention to at all.

Let me start by saying that this does bring promise to struggling americans, but those on the boarder line will surely end up being rationed as well. My opinion on this (which is in fact mine) would be that it is going to push more americans to rely on our governments rations rather than working for a living. I personally feel this will push us closer into a socialist situation.

All ponder no proof... Just perceptions

"The mill of the gods grinds slowly, but it grinds exceedingly fine"

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 04-01-2010, 11:02 PM

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Yukon Cornelius · 04-01-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

"The mill of the gods grinds slowly, but it grinds exceedingly fine"

You should cite your quotes... tis tis

duga · 04-02-2010, 01:04 PM

Yeah, I love how everyone has demonized the word socialism. Just like they did with communism. Guess what, those are simply forms of government...not evil regimes bent on enslaving everyone. Communism didn't work, but it tried. You know what other form of government doesn't work? Capitalism. Just take a look at how many times our economy has collapsed in the past century. Something tells me we could do with some improvement.

It's socialism. Get over it.

lucifer_sam · 04-02-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DarwinWasAdopted

Is there anyone out there who actually knows what socialism is anymore?

....anybody?

That aside, I find it funny how the US catches up with the rest of the industrialized world and everybody seems to think the ****ing sky is falling. Trust me, you'll like your "socialist" health care better.

Please don't lump us all in the same boat, we're not all this backwards.

And please don't act so condescending either, Canada is practically America. The superiority complex that some (see how I didn't generalize there) Canadians efface is incredibly annoying.

TheBig3 · 04-02-2010, 01:20 PM

I'm not going to pay attention to conspiracy theories. The right likes to say that this is socialism. I like to say that we can move toward socialism without it being socialism. I don't think we've got anything close to socialism here in the U.S. because people will still die when this bill is put into effect. Far more than do in the european countries.

It was insurance reform, and I won't listen to those who champion the free market but then attempt to deny me what I pay for; that is, I pay for health care - you should be allowed to drop my coverage.

Obama isn't the Nazi's, we're not walking toward the destruction of the constitution or any of that ****. I voted for the man twice, and I stand by those votes. We're much better than we were in 07, and we're great in 09 compared to where we'd be if he'd lost.

duga · 04-02-2010, 01:33 PM

I feel like keying all the cars in this hick state that have bumper stickers saying "impeach Obama Bin Laden".

Wtf has he done worth impeaching? It's fine if you don't agree with the guy, but if you really feel like he should be impeached you deserve a kick in the balls.

**Janszoon** · 04-02-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

I feel like keying all the cars in this hick state that have bumper stickers saying "impeach Obama Bin Laden".

Wtf has he done worth impeaching? It's fine if you don't agree with the guy, but if you really feel like he should be impeached you deserve a kick in the balls.

Yeah, that and trying draw some kind of connection between him and a notorious terrorist based on them having a similar first name really smacks of xenophobia to me. They might as well just have a bumper sticker that says "Bigot On Board".

pourmeanother · 04-02-2010, 04:05 PM

I'm not even going to pretend I know any of the ins and outs of this bill, I just know it effects me as a small business owner... For the next few years I will receive a tax credit, but if I expand too much in the next 4 years I could be subject to penalties. Overall I think it has some holes, but it's a move in a positive direction [and is changeable if needed]...

04-01-2010, 10:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	It's been close to a year... Thoughts on Obama I feel with the reform that this is more than likely the first time the people were not heard, or rather not payed any attention to at all. Let me start by saying that this does bring promise to struggling americans, but those on the boarder line will surely end up being rationed as well. My opinion on this (which is in fact mine) would be that it is going to push more americans to rely on our governments rations rather than working for a living. I personally feel this will push us closer into a socialist situation. How? (This is opinion based Theory, All mine) Well basically in my theory the government cannot control a free willed american as much as they will need to in order to call "All" the shots. So with our governement taxing the somewhat wealthy (who will obviously complain and look bad for it) to pay for this reform we are actually helping them gain 100% control of the low income section 8 people. How? Basically If I was to give you something for free you would like me, If I was to pay for your medical expenses you would love me, thus I would have a great deal of leverage over your thoughts and your voice, gaining control over a period of time until, I was your voice. I'm not 100% sure how they will take out the people with very high incomes but I am positive they will. I assume some will be living beyond there means and slowly have to start settling for less over the years until finally they are in the same position as the rest of us. It may be tax hikes over and over until its unbearable or many other things.. Either way I'm just a touch curious on your thoughts and feelings in this matter since it will have a great impact on my kids and yours or eventually yours. All ponder no proof... Just perceptions __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid...

04-02-2010, 01:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Yeah, I love how everyone has demonized the word socialism. Just like they did with communism. Guess what, those are simply forms of government...not evil regimes bent on enslaving everyone. Communism didn't work, but it tried. You know what other form of government doesn't work? Capitalism. Just take a look at how many times our economy has collapsed in the past century. Something tells me we could do with some improvement. It's socialism. Get over it. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

04-02-2010, 01:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	I'm not going to pay attention to conspiracy theories. The right likes to say that this is socialism. I like to say that we can move toward socialism without it being socialism. I don't think we've got anything close to socialism here in the U.S. because people will still die when this bill is put into effect. Far more than do in the european countries. It was insurance reform, and I won't listen to those who champion the free market but then attempt to deny me what I pay for; that is, I pay for health care - you should be allowed to drop my coverage. Obama isn't the Nazi's, we're not walking toward the destruction of the constitution or any of that ****. I voted for the man twice, and I stand by those votes. We're much better than we were in 07, and we're great in 09 compared to where we'd be if he'd lost. __________________ I've moved to a new address

04-02-2010, 01:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	I feel like keying all the cars in this hick state that have bumper stickers saying "impeach Obama Bin Laden". Wtf has he done worth impeaching? It's fine if you don't agree with the guy, but if you really feel like he should be impeached you deserve a kick in the balls. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

04-02-2010, 04:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
pourmeanother Saaaad Panda Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 852	I'm not even going to pretend I know any of the ins and outs of this bill, I just know it effects me as a small business owner... For the next few years I will receive a tax credit, but if I expand too much in the next 4 years I could be subject to penalties. Overall I think it has some holes, but it's a move in a positive direction [and is changeable if needed]... __________________ Life is just blah, blah, blah You hope for blah And sometimes you find it, but mostly it's blah And waiting for blah And hoping you were right about the blahs you made And then, just when you think you've got the whole blah'd damn thing figured out And you're surrounded by the ones you blah Death shows up... anddd blah, blah, blah.

04-01-2010, 11:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
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