TheBig3

I was pissed when I saw this. America doesn't hate Mexican's, we hate Arizonians.

(who incidentally may be Mexican's)

Edit: To be honest, this law is going to rat-**** the Republican party in 2010 elections. 4 states currently have a majority-minority population; California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. The Lation vote has been sleepy, disinterested, flying below the radar. But this Law basically says "hey we're going to harass the holy **** out of you at best."

The only state capable of surviving is Texas, who has a savvy governor and a policy-not-party system working down there. The other three states, which stood to be big Republican wins are going to get crushed, and I think for at least the next 10 years, Republicans will have to outright court the Latino vote, even if this means excising some of the hard-liners.

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TheBig3

Well let me be the cunning linguist here. I think, if we're giving them the benefit of the doubt, they meant to say its a crime now on the state level. Such things were, as best I can recall, just an outright violation of a states soverignty.

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IamAlejo

Right, which is why I had the statement in parenthesis. It's a federal crime, now it's also a state law. But the caption was too good to not post. It's imprecise, though technically not incorrect.

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IamAlejo

o rly? Also, in Arizona the law is said to be in favor by it's citizens 3 to 1.


(From http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blo...eRoberts/79298)

Not saying you're wrong, but it's not that simple. This bill is really just a result of public outcry. I'm not saying that's how bills should/can be made, but to say that it will crush their vote because of it isn't all that true. Besides, the Hispanic vote has never been heavy Republican.

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TheBig3

Thats based on polling. You're dealing with a demographic that does its best to fly under the radar, especially since the law enforcement there can jail them for looking too Mexican.

As far as Lation votes not being "republican" I'm not sure about that. Heres the stats I'd look at.

1. As terrible as it is to lump two groups only combined by language, the spanish-speaking vote has generally gone republican because of the hard-line anti-Castro stance they take.

2. Arizona's largest political figure has been someone who's been, until recently, for giving the Latino a fair shake.

3. In 2004, Latino's we're a heavily courted constituency by then-President Bush.

4. The religios factor has always been republian, which is a general characteristic (be it a generalization or not) of the Latino population.

The Latino's who vote may not have been republican in any one poll or election, but you're going see the beehive riled up, if you catch my drift. They'll vote this time. We're only 5 months away from elections and I doubt this will be done with tomorrow.

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IamAlejo

The Latino vote has really never been close if I remember correctly. I'll search the numbers later.

As I've stated, me being from VA you from MA, we really have no idea how bad it is down there. From everything I've read, this is a direct result of the public outcry for help.

And as much of a draw it is for Latinos to rile up and vote, it's the same for the "Learn English of get out" crowd down there.

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TheBig3

Except they're out numbered.

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duga

This is kind of a funny statistic considering the Hispanic population in Arizona (legally, anyway) is roughly 1/3 of the population.

Not that this means anything, just interesting...

Carry on...

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IamAlejo

You have no idea of how bad it is if you believe that all Hispanics are against this bill.

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duga

Didn't say they were. I'm just saying...you could definitely distort that statistic if you tried.

But I'm still against this thing.

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