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06-05-2010, 10:14 AM | #51 (permalink) | |
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06-05-2010, 12:19 PM | #52 (permalink) |
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Blasphemy! I thought Idiocracy was fantastic and a good (yet exagerated) representation of where we're headed. I could honestly see a world similar to that in a thousand years, if the human race isn't extinct by then.
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The mirror test alone can not prove anything. It doesn't reveal the thoughts of the animal which can not be known exactly like throuhg ESP or the Vulcan mind meld. Since you can not know what the animal is thinking, and it can not tell you what it is thinking when it sees the mirror, what is observe when it see itself in the mirror is open to interpretation. I am skeptical of the mirror test because the actions of the animal is interpretted by the scientist to mean what he wants it to mean. All it demonstrates is a reaction of the animal. And one should be cautious when connecting the dots. If there is some sense of self for an animal, it would be demostrate in it's bahavior in the natural setting of the animal.
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06-05-2010, 05:19 PM | #55 (permalink) |
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Oh well Neapolitan, I suspect you're arguing with yourself. Mirror tests have been used and results between species like chimps and gorillas can be compared. If you can think of a better way to do it, feel free to design an experiment then have lots of people test various species so that we get comparable results and then figure out if that somehow helps us better answer when our ancestors became self-aware.
edit : By the way, yes - I did see Idiocracy. Not super, but it had it's moments I thought
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06-05-2010, 05:44 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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I know I'm intentionally being off the mark of the context of this thread as self-awareness applies to it, but I just wanted to point out that the mirror test does indicate a certain level of self-awareness when passed... but I think you're correct in that any ramifications beyond that level of awareness would be speculation when based solely on the mirror test alone. |
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07-02-2010, 02:51 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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with evolution, the strongest survive. we are surviving all too well..with all our technology and tools we have no need to adapt to help survival. so instead of us it is our society and technology and such that evolves.
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07-02-2010, 10:11 PM | #58 (permalink) | |
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You know Lucy right? The earliest hominid found, the first examples of primates going bipedal. Well Lucy was very different from how we are to say the least. Lots of hair, small skull and small brain, no opposable thumbs etc. It took millions of years for one's like Lucy to start looking like we do now. Tore can fact check me on this one, I'm going off memory of an anthro class I took. |
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07-03-2010, 06:26 AM | #59 (permalink) | |
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Note that it's not certain that Ardi's lineage is the one that gave rise to modern humans though. Many hominid lineages have gone extinct. However, interesting for some europeans is that some of the european (Homo sapien) lineages mixed with neanderthals some many thousand years ago. There are europeans who have about 4% of their genes coming from Homo neanderthalis. So then neanderthals are not completely gone, but live on in some of us .. I think that's pretty cool!
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