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Queen Boo 12-12-2010 08:45 PM

My dad was an aspy and my brother has moderate to severe Autism.....
Agree: 16,22,23: 1 point
Disagree: 24,28,30: 1 point
Score: 6

Thanks genetics

s_k 12-12-2010 08:49 PM

You're ****ing rare man ;).
It's really very inheritable.
I won't have any kids just because of that (and because of some other reasons, but that's my main reason not to have kids. I don't want them to have autism. It's no good).

Batty 12-12-2010 09:17 PM

I'm not going to do the test.

Queen Boo 12-12-2010 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 969136)
You're ****ing rare man ;).
It's really very inheritable.
I won't have any kids just because of that (and because of some other reasons, but that's my main reason not to have kids. I don't want them to have autism. It's no good).

I am? I have two other siblings that are typical too. Miracles or sumthin. :P

s_k 12-13-2010 06:35 AM

So that makes you a miracle then.
Well that's nice :D

duga 12-13-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 969136)
You're ****ing rare man ;).
It's really very inheritable.
I won't have any kids just because of that (and because of some other reasons, but that's my main reason not to have kids. I don't want them to have autism. It's no good).

As a geneticist I feel I have to pipe up here. It is completely predictable that he and all his siblings would be normal and healthy. Both of those traits are recessive, meaning both parents would have to have both conditions to potentially pass them on. Like, if both had autism the children would most likely inherit it. Since only one does, none will.

However, the trait for both conditions was most definitely passed on. If he decides to have kids, it would be smart to check on his spouse's family history to make sure she doesn't also carry the trait for one of those disorders. If she does, there is a good chance one of his kids will get one of those conditions.

Farfisa 12-13-2010 09:42 AM

Misdiagnosed with Bipolar-Disorder which was in fact Anxiety Depression.

It has caused me a lot of troubles, a lot. Not only am I a self-loathing bastard, but I am also very anxious and when I was younger it caused me to have flip outs.

Queen Boo 12-13-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 969292)
As a geneticist I feel I have to pipe up here. It is completely predictable that he and all his siblings would be normal and healthy. Both of those traits are recessive, meaning both parents would have to have both conditions to potentially pass them on. Like, if both had autism the children would most likely inherit it. Since only one does, none will.

However, the trait for both conditions was most definitely passed on. If he decides to have kids, it would be smart to check on his spouse's family history to make sure she doesn't also carry the trait for one of those disorders. If she does, there is a good chance one of his kids will get one of those conditions.

But 3/4 kids in my family are typical and my other brother has a form of autism thats different from my dad's.

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm just being a threadjacking chode.

s_k 12-13-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 969292)
As a geneticist I feel I have to pipe up here. It is completely predictable that he and all his siblings would be normal and healthy. Both of those traits are recessive, meaning both parents would have to have both conditions to potentially pass them on. Like, if both had autism the children would most likely inherit it. Since only one does, none will.

Common idea here is that one parent is autistic there's an at least 40% chance that their children will develop a form of autism. When both parents are, the chance is 80%. That's all I've been told ;)

It's on both sides of the family here, by the way.
Sometimes quite obvious.

ThePhanastasio 12-14-2010 12:19 AM

If both of the traits are recessive, then couldn't both of the parents carry the genes but only one actually be autistic / have Aspergers? (Because both genes are recessive in one instance, only one in the other) Because if it's recessive, then they would have the dominant gene of not having aspergers / autism paired with a recessive gene (they could potentially pass on) but not have the disorder themselves?

MoonlitSunshine 12-14-2010 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio (Post 969885)
If both of the traits are recessive, then couldn't both of the parents carry the genes but only one actually be autistic / have Aspergers? (Because both genes are recessive in one instance, only one in the other) Because if it's recessive, then they would have the dominant gene of not having aspergers / autism paired with a recessive gene (they could potentially pass on) but not have the disorder themselves?



^ yes, I was about to point out that this:

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 969292)
Like, if both had autism the children would most likely inherit it. Since only one does, none will.

was an exaggeration, though the rest of the post was right, which made this not fit in at all :P I may not have studied genetics, but it came up an excessive amount in Statistics in certain areas of probability (and I had this conversation with my GF recently, and she studied biology in various forms for 10 years).

You can be a carrier of a recessive gene without feeling the effects of it personally. Given that you get one from one parent and one from the other, if you have one parent who DOES have the recessive trait, that means you're going to get at least one recessive gene (since they can't have the dominant in order to have the recessive trait). If the other is non-recessive, there's no way of telling whether they have both dominant or 1 dominant 1 recessive. In this case, seeing as he evidently does not have the trait, it means that he definitely got a dominant gene from someone, but if one parent has the recessive trait, you could be 99.99999% sure (given the simple layout of this - I'm sure that when it comes to levels of aspergers/autism the genetics and thus the probability is a little more complex, but for the sake of argument: ) that he is a carrier, since recessive trait => can only pass on recessive gene.

clementine 12-19-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FaSho (Post 968706)
My right eye is a bit higher than my left eye. You can only tell when I'm wearing glasses, but it looks super-weird.

I have a bigger eye, I guess it's because I have this problem called Amblyopia, my right eye's "wires" are not correctly connected to my brain so I can't see much with that eye. I've got some wire problems up there, that's for sure.

Oh and I got a 21 in the test... I haven't heard about Asperger before, I'm googling it now. I do have quite a lot of trouble when socializing. I'm getting better with time, but I had a pretty taugh time at high school.

s_k 12-21-2010 06:05 PM

I'm glad the test is taken seriously.
Got a lot of stupid replies to a 'simple' test like this one overhere.
It does tell something. 21 isn't all that high, but it's always good to analyse yourself now and then :)

Howard the Duck 05-24-2011 11:14 PM

i am a pervert

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 05-25-2011 01:04 PM

Neurotic, egotistical, sociophobic, and a whole hearted obsessive compeletist.

Insane Guest 05-25-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1059451)
i am a pervert

:laughing: Good to know.

I'm pretty sure I have some type of social disorder, my social skills went down down the toilet a couple of years ago, but I just have no clue nor am I interested in finding out what it is called.

DoctorSoft 05-25-2011 09:10 PM

I overall like myself. I am kind of lazy sometimes, but I'm working on that.

Howard the Duck 05-25-2011 09:11 PM

i'm also seriously apathetic about everything

DoctorSoft 05-25-2011 09:12 PM

^ I'm kind of the opposite, I care a lot about stuff, I don't really see that as a flaw though.

Stephen 12-17-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 968139)
Took some time to find an English one (had a dutch one here, same questions)
Here goes:
Wired 9.12: Take The AQ Test

This is actually a pretty serious test.
It's used as an intake-test for people of whom they expect some autism disorder.
If you score anything above 24, it's suspicious ;).
If you score anything above 32, you have a 80% rate of indeed having an autistic disorder.
This, of course, is based on people taking this test and then lots of tests after that.

Pretty much everyone who's tested for autism gets this test in the Netherlands.
It's actually developed by the cousin of Sacha Baron-Cohen (Yes, Ali G.). ;D.

Another interesting thing: There's a lot of autists on my own forum.
And I discovered this very strange thing: Everyone who scored 33 on the test, is actually a close friend of mine. There's also people who scored lower who are close friends of mine, but seven people scored 33 and all seven of them were friends. About 100 people did that test. I scored 33 myself, too, by the way.

Yikes. I scored a 35. :shycouch:

butthead aka 216 05-13-2014 08:17 PM

i dunno why i feel compelled to post this but a flaw of mine is askin for help on manly type of things

i think its cause i didnt have a good manly father figure in my father. so my mom remarried and my stepdad is ultra manly. loves sports, cars, home improvement, etc. i feel like i know so little about home improvement, like carpentry stuff or building cool stuff. and i feel dumb asking him questions cause hes such a hardass and my own insecurity about it and paranoia makes me think he thinks im stupid which probably isnt the case. so in turn i never ask the question and thus never improve.

this was brought up in my brain recently as i am trying to personally frame and mount several NBA jerseys and i am struggling doin so

ladyislingering 05-13-2014 08:31 PM

I have borderline personality disorder and social anxiety disorder. I have better outward control of both of these things than I used to, but deep down I'm kind of a wreck.

GuD 05-13-2014 08:43 PM

I got a 39 on that autism test from a few years ago so there's that...


Right... I waver back and forth between being a level-headed, pragmatic, callous ******* and being an oversensitive, meek, self-loathing pushover. Makes for a lot of frustration, I'd be more at ease if I could just sit on one plane or the other and just work on it but nope, gotta do both simultaneously.

I get too wrapped up in my own world sometimes and forget about or have a hard time understanding others. It's pretty relieving when I remember though.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there's the reckless and inappropriate behavior with alcohol.




There are worse things to deal with. Least I'm not schizophrenic or something.

Sansa Stark 05-13-2014 08:46 PM

schiZophrenia is largely sensationalised in people's minds. it's antisocial personality disorder that's the real **** storm

GuD 05-13-2014 08:53 PM

I can't honestly say I'm familiar with either, though schizophrenia probably runs in the family.

After googling, I can see your point.

butthead aka 216 05-13-2014 08:55 PM

theres a disorder for this and that and this and that and blah


dont get in a habit of labeling yourself. it only makes it 10X worse

djchameleon 05-13-2014 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1449860)
I can't honestly say I'm familiar with either, though schizophrenia probably runs in the family.

After googling, I can see your point.

Nope, it's a bad point. Schizophrenia varies depending on the type that the person is diagnosed with.

Sansa Stark 05-13-2014 09:07 PM

how is it a bad point when sociopathy is largely manipulating and harming people....

djchameleon 05-13-2014 09:15 PM

Schizophrenia can also cause people that have it to harm others with their auditory hallucinations.

Sansa Stark 05-13-2014 09:18 PM

but it's not a characteristic of the whole disorder so you're wrong about it being a bad point. you said yourself it varies so obviously you're wrong

djchameleon 05-13-2014 09:25 PM

My point is that they are both bad conditions. I don't even know why you are trying to make it a pissing contest.

butthead aka 216 05-13-2014 09:26 PM

like thats a surprise lol

its just a label anyways. dont feel sorry for yourself ladyislingering

Sansa Stark 05-13-2014 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1449873)
My point is that they are both bad conditions. I don't even know why you are trying to make it a pissing contest.

I just said why in the first post "schizophrenia is sensationalised"

djchameleon 05-13-2014 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sansa Stark (Post 1449875)
I just said why in the first post "schizophrenia is sensationalised"

You are trying to make it seem like it isn't that big of a deal just because it gets more exposure.

Surell 05-13-2014 09:50 PM

I mainly wanted to step in on the whole antisocial personality and schizophrenia business, as I remember being fascinated with both when I took a general psych course in high school. The better (though it's really pretty relative in these terms) aspects of schizophrenia is that it can be treated. My girlfriend's mom is schizophrenic but she has treatment for it, and so it can be helped and can be signified so not only doctor's but the patient can understand what they're facing. Antisocial personality disorder, on the other hand, is hard for doctors to identify and hard for the patient to overcome, because it practically consumed their entire character. They're extremely manipulative, and even worse they're often extremely charming in some way or another and being so are extremely apt at getting people to follow their lead. At times they'll claim to see how they hurt people, only using the claim that to keep people off their back, so they fundamentally don't want to change their behavior (unlike schizophrenics whom I imagine would desperately want to escape perpetual hallucination and paranoia). I've also heard they characterize their victims as weak and/or deserving of what they suffered to justify their actions. As I said, because they are essentially indecipherable for diagnosis or treatment and are also a danger (as schizophrenics can certainly be but are treatable and self aware with proper understanding), antisocial personality types seem a much more direct threat to people's welfare. But that's just my perspective, I may be lacking in insight.

As for the thread's actual concern, I don't have any diagnosed disorder. There is alcoholism in my family on both sides though, and so generally habit-inducing or addictive in some regards. I also can be kind of neurotic about people, like being secretly hated or taunted by someone, as well as neurotic in my tendencies, and can be candy ass-ish in some ways (timid, slackerish, unwilling or unmotivated, etc.). I've been working harder recently on many of these things more recently, trying to change up my habits and mindset. So that's something.

ladyislingering 05-13-2014 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216 (Post 1449874)
like thats a surprise lol

its just a label anyways. dont feel sorry for yourself ladyislingering

I don't anymore. I used to, but then I was like "if my brain wants to be an asshole sometimes, then whatever, as long as it's not hurting anyone".

Neapolitan 05-13-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sansa Stark (Post 1449859)
schiZophrenia is largely sensationalised in people's minds. it's antisocial personality disorder that's the real **** storm

That's not entirely true, unlike other mental issues, schizophrenia become progressively worse after each schizophrenic episode, and can lead to debilitating state were the person can not recover from - it's pretty serious business.

butthead aka 216 05-13-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering (Post 1449878)
I don't anymore. I used to, but then I was like "if my brain wants to be an asshole sometimes, then whatever, as long as it's not hurting anyone".

good for u. overcome obstacles and strive for glory everyday

if thats not motivating enough look at this world full of functional and capable ppl who constantly label themselves and look where their lives are. hint - the toilet or gutter

ladyislingering 05-13-2014 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216 (Post 1449888)
good for u. overcome obstacles and strive for glory everyday

if thats not motivating enough look at this world full of functional and capable ppl who constantly label themselves and look where their lives are. hint - the toilet or gutter

Exactly. the more self-aware you are about the weird ways your brain tries to trick you into feeling like you're worthless or too sick to live, the easier it is to cope with it and take care of yourself.

hate paper doll 05-14-2014 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering (Post 1449855)
I have borderline personality disorder and social anxiety disorder. I have better outward control of both of these things than I used to, but deep down I'm kind of a wreck.


I have BPD too, tons of therapy and behavior modification has helped me be more in control of my emotions, but I still feel fundamentally flawed. I don't really think I'll ever be happy with myself, it bothers me to admit it but I have to be honest.


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