Rape

**Janszoon** · 08-03-2010, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry

You think it would be more difficult for a human with HIV to rape a woman, than a regular human? Doubtedly.
or an animal with such, for that matter.

It would have no bearing whatsoever so this does nothing to prove your point.

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Originally Posted by Harry

Or a giraffe with a short neck who can't reach the taller trees, vs a long necked one.... you get the point.

This, however, supports my position not yours. So thanks!

~~Harry~~ · 08-03-2010, 06:00 AM

Are we talking about just being inherit, or being natural (as in supposed to be)?

Anyways, but rape being a biological, natural thing to do (that we have to 'fight'), I agree would make that sickly/genetically weak being pass on its traits. But in order to evolve from certain traits, it takes mating with the most fit. So if all creatures needed to RAPE everyone, it would be counterproductive. Thus, all I am trying to say is that it doesn't make sense to have it be natural for all males to desire to rape females because it would cause spread of genetic anomalies, which is why there's choice and variation in the first place.

It does make sense in the key of 'selfishness' but not in a sense of productiveness. I still do not think sexual desire and rape are the same entity. Rapists have sexual desire but having sexual desire does not make you a rapist.

Guybrush · 08-03-2010, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry

Are we talking about just being inherit, or being natural (as in supposed to be)?

Anyways, but rape being a biological, natural thing to do (that we have to 'fight'), I agree would make that sickly/genetically weak being pass on its traits. But in order to evolve from certain traits, it takes mating with the most fit. So if all creatures needed to RAPE everyone, it would be counterproductive. Thus, all I am trying to say is that it doesn't make sense to have it be natural for all males to desire to rape females because it would cause spread of genetic anomalies, which is why there's choice and variation in the first place.

It does make sense in the key of 'selfishness' but not in a sense of productiveness. I still do not think sexual desire and rape are the same entity. Rapists have sexual desire but having sexual desire does not make you a rapist.

What? I don't really understand what you mean. There doesn't have to be one reproductive strategy in a population or species. I can use an example I've used previously with fish. There are some fish species where male and female look very different. In some of these, the males keep harems and then they protect and have sex with the females in that harem. However, some males don't do this .. instead they too look like females and infiltrate the harems. Then they "sneaky fuck" the females in the harem.

The sneaky fuckers employ a reproductive strategy that exploits the normal strategy so it wouldn't exist on it's own. Also, if there are too many sneaky fuckers, the protective males probably get more vigilant and better at sniffing out the cheaters and sneaky fuckers might be competing too much with eachother etc. for it to be efficient. Thus, there should be some kind of ratio between regular harem keepers and sneaky fuckers. At any one point in time, a male would on average do better being either a sneaky fucker or a harem keeping male depending on how the ratio is. The result is that the sneaky fuckers are kept as a minority because that's when the strategy gives a fitness benefit.

If you hypothesize that rape is a biological strategy, it doesn't mean that it's the only strategy or something everyone would do. It could be a response from a minority of the population when they are put in a specific situation, such as not being able to reproduce any other way.

~~Harry~~ · 08-03-2010, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

What? I don't really understand what you mean. There doesn't have to be one reproductive strategy in a population or species. I can use an example I've used previously with fish. There are some fish species where male and female look very different. In some of these, the males keep harems and then they protect and have sex with the females in that harem. However, some males don't do this .. instead they too look like females and infiltrate the harems. Then they "sneaky fuck" the females in the harem.

The sneaky fuckers employ a reproductive strategy that exploits the normal strategy so it wouldn't exist on it's own. Also, if there are too many sneaky fuckers, the protective males probably get more vigilant and better at sniffing out the cheaters and sneaky fuckers might be competing too much with eachother etc. for it to be efficient. Thus, there should be some kind of ratio between regular harem keepers and sneaky fuckers. At any one point in time, a male would on average do better being either a sneaky fucker or a harem keeping male depending on how the ratio is. The result is that the sneaky fuckers are kept as a minority because that's when the strategy gives a fitness benefit.

If you hypothesize that rape is a biological strategy, it doesn't mean that it's the only strategy or something everyone would do. It could be a response from a minority of the population when they are put in a specific situation, such as not being able to get partners any other way.

Alright I think I agree with the bottom, that makes sense.
But even in that respect, it still isn't necessarily a biologically natural occurrence-- it would be the anomaly, and what is manifested from desperateness.

So bottom line is that in people, I would not liken raping to a biological necessity and that by not raping, I would not agree that we're 'suppressing all instinct' ...I suppose unless we really can't get any.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 07-10-2014, 10:30 PM

There is some horrible, horrible people out there. Seriously I can't even.

Rape victim Jada is trolled by internet users copying the pose she collapsed in | Mail Online

~~hate paper doll~~ · 07-10-2014, 10:40 PM

Disgusting. I can't even imagine how traumatized I'd be if I was in her situation.

ladyislingering · 07-10-2014, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

There is some horrible, horrible people out there. Seriously I can't even.

Rape victim Jada is trolled by internet users copying the pose she collapsed in | Mail Online

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Originally Posted by hate paper doll

Disgusting. I can't even imagine how traumatized I'd be if I was in her situation.

I'm actually in tears reading about this. These people are repulsive for even thinking they're funny at all, exploiting her pain. This is why women, at any age, are terrified to be out alone, even in the furthest corners of our mind. Because if anything happens to us, we're made out to be fools by people who think we deserve to be abused, destroyed, assaulted.... I'm sick with grief for this girl's angel heart right now.

Paul Smeenus · 07-10-2014, 11:14 PM

Fecking cowards, the lot of them

GuD · 07-10-2014, 11:16 PM

I took a break from my movie to read this, fully knowing I'd end up being enraged. I underestimated how pissed I would be. People are vermin. How does this kind of reaction to something so ****ed up and horrible even arise in society? Seriously, those kids are ****ed up and should see therapists for being so insensitive.

~~hate paper doll~~ · 07-10-2014, 11:17 PM

I take a miniscule amount of solace in the fact that people believe and don't seem to be blaming her, but yeah, making fun of her is just repugnant.

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~~Harry~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Leith Posts: 72	Are we talking about just being inherit, or being natural (as in supposed to be)? Anyways, but rape being a biological, natural thing to do (that we have to 'fight'), I agree would make that sickly/genetically weak being pass on its traits. But in order to evolve from certain traits, it takes mating with the most fit. So if all creatures needed to RAPE everyone, it would be counterproductive. Thus, all I am trying to say is that it doesn't make sense to have it be natural for all males to desire to rape females because it would cause spread of genetic anomalies, which is why there's choice and variation in the first place. It does make sense in the key of 'selfishness' but not in a sense of productiveness. I still do not think sexual desire and rape are the same entity. Rapists have sexual desire but having sexual desire does not make you a rapist.

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~~hate paper doll~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 423	Disgusting. I can't even imagine how traumatized I'd be if I was in her situation.

07-10-2014, 11:17 PM	#110 (permalink)
~~hate paper doll~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 423	I take a miniscule amount of solace in the fact that people believe and don't seem to be blaming her, but yeah, making fun of her is just repugnant.