re: satanism - there's basically two kinds (and still more sects)

1) theistic (actually believe in satan and worship him - no idea of their thoughts on suicide)

2) LaVeyan Satanism - which is what Batlord is referring to; read up on their 9 Satanic Statements, their 11 Rules of Earth, and the 9 Sins to have a better understanding of them. To me, they've always seemed like the kind of people that would consider suicide as cowardly and weak.

LaVeyan Satanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I like how you claimed I was making generalizations and assumptions and then you go off to insult the fact that I suffer from mental illness.. like.. you, a psychology major, someone who should be wanting to help people, is getting emotionally charged and insulting someone point blank for being mentally ill?

Ontop of that, you made a slew of generalizations and assumptions in your own right. Your hypocrisy confuses me.

Why is everyone being such a hypocrite. Like there is so much hypocrisy in that post, dude. It's literally in every sentence. You paint yourself a hypocrite in literally every single sentence of that post. And no psychology major worth their **** is going to insult someone for suffering from a mental illness completely out of their control, like wow.

I'll insult someone's ignorance, or poke at their intelligence, but I would never ever go after someone for being sick, especially a victim of abuse for suffering from illnesses as a cause of that abuse. That was really low.

A symptom is something that reflects the presence of a disease or sickness. That's why suicide is a symptom of mental illness.

And you know who told my cousin that information? One of his professors.

Don't play the victim card after being a ****... suck it up and try to get along with people or you're just going to get drowned in the downward spiral **** fight.

I'm not playing anything. I'm saying how I feel. That's where I specifically draw the line. I've been called an *******, a ***got, a twat, a ****, etc, but yeah, I draw the line at making fun of the fact that my mother brutally abused me my entire childhood. I don't even draw the line there. I'm not hurt by it. I'm pointing out that it's ****ed up for a Psych major to go there like that. What kind of psych major insults someone for being mentally ill? Why are you a psych major?

I don't think you're a perma-**** for what it's worth, not yet anyway.

There's two kinds of psych major: clinical and theoretical. Theoretical psych majors just want to know how the brain works, maybe they don't mind unethical experiments on subjects.

Only the clinical ones are "healers". And there's no requirement to have bedside manner outside of your job anyway (that's a general MD principle).

I know. This happens on every forum I've ever joined because I'm abrasive and unrelenting with my opinion, and there's obviously a clique and when I go after one person in the clique, everyone was else is bound to bandwagon and defend that person. It's just forum culture. Eventually people will learn to love me.

I think everyone is just annoyed by the fact that you're claiming what you feel to be a fact even after being presented with countless pieces of objective information that prove otherwise.

This is not a debate of feelings. The claim you made is suicide is not a choice, but the facts say otherwise. Everyone has acknowledged that in some cases or even the majority it may not be a choice, but there is possibility for it to be one, and even if only 0.0000001% of the time it's a choice then your claim is wrong.

Does having a mental illness make it okay to be an insufferable asshole to several well-intentioned people all at once? Way to immediately use your (unconfirmed) problems as a shield the second someone calls you out for being a shithead.

You disgust me, and your problems don't change that. Someone can need help but not deserve it, and you certainly have done nothing to deserve my respect or compassion or anyone else's for that matter. If you want to play the victim card you should probably be a little more level-headed in the discussions before you start playing that card. Maybe then I could summon a shred of sympathy for you.

I'm a Psych major that wants to help people that are actually good people that recognize they have a problem and are seeking out help for that problem. I have no desire to help douchebags that try to insult the intelligence (which is HILARIOUSLY ironic considering the genetics that factor into it) of people that I have a ton of respect for and that I know for a fact are extremely intelligent like Frownland for example. You could only hope to be remotely as interesting as he is. But alas, you're just a generic internet cunt who thinks he can be a jerk and then bring up his "problems" and then suddenly everything you said should be forgiven.

What facts though. Like I saw the satanist thing. It wasn't even true.

The seppuku thing was irrelevant in contemporary society.

Where are these mysterious facts? like I'm confused. I feel like I've addressed everything that's been said to me except the things that other people answer for me.

I don't know if I agree with this. First we have to define exactly what you mean by choice, but how would you even test this? Maybe I missed the evidence that was presented.

The problem is you are just attaching your stigma that anyone who want's to die MUST be mentally ill, and writing off anyone who attempts to show you examples of stable people that opt for suicide.

You can check this out, but I doubt it will change your mind: 'Death with Dignity' Advocate Brittany Maynard Has Died | RTM - RightThisMinute

I never said that you should forgive me for your perception of me. Feel free to hate me and be disgusted me based on your perception. Hate me for what I do that affects you. It's like if your dad is dying of cancer, and we get into a fight, and I say "Fine, have fun with your cancer dad." It's just immature to bring things like that into it. It's very middle schooley. You're allowed to hate me. I welcome your hatred. But don't bring my abuse filled childhood into it and try to use it against me. As someone who is aspiring to work in the psych field, you should know that comments like that... that was way ****tier than anything I said to anyone here.

I don't know, I think that the trauma of having terminal cancer can induce signs of extreme depression and an uncopeable emotional pain.

I'm not bringing the whole free will debate back into this. By choice I mean rather you are in a rational state of mind deciding to objectively end your life versus a mental illness causing you to want to commit suicide.

You watched a 6 minute video in 2 minutes? Clearly you don't actually care to learn anything outside of your bubble.

It was already linked a while back...

Terminally Ill Woman Opts for 'Death with Dignity' | RTM - RightThisMinute (~2:25 she explains her own death..)

If this doesn't work I don't know what else I can show you.

But it seems you've determined this from the percentage of people that commit suicide and have mental disorders, correct? But people with mental disorders can act rationally and people that don't have a history of mental disorders can have a break down and commit suicide. How do we really tell whether it was a choice or not in each case?

All we can really say is you're more likely to commit suicide if you have a mental disorder. But what about when having a mental disorder is a miserable existence and alienates you from people and you end it to end the suffering (that you haven't elsewise been able to make stop)?

Not correct. Myself and others have simply been saying that there are instances when suicide is a choice (an objective, clear minded, sane decision). Can you explain to me how the video I just linked of the woman describing how she is going to die is a symptom and not her choice?

I'm no psych major.

Ah, I agree with you; for some reason I perceived your post as the absolute one.

One of the more interesting suicide cases. Budd Dwyer. Congressman. Blew his brains out at the close of a press conference he arranged while the TV cameras were rolling. Tons of preparation went into it.

R. Budd Dwyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Filter's "Hey Man Nice Shot" is based on Dwyer.

I've actually seen the video of that. Absolutely mind-blowing how composed he was when he did it



...................<_< aaaand just realized what i just typed

100% serious question. Do you suffer from Asperger's?

Could you BE anymore ignorant tbh.

So rather than address his completely legitimate question (since you seem to be utterly incapable of interacting with other human beings in a polite, civil manner) you just insult him some more?

Alrighty then.

You need more help, continue seeking it.

I'll try this again since you would rather insult the people you don't like than have a legitimate debate/discussion with someone who hasn't attacked you (me).

http://www.rightthisminute.com/video...-death-dignity (~2:25 she explains her own death..)

Can you explain to me how this is a symptom and not a choice?

Omg

No. I don't feel like repeating myself. AGAIN. Go look. It's right there.

What does Aspergers have to do with being uncivil and impolite.

You don't even know anything about aspergers. You're a PSYCH major that doesn't know anything about aspergers.

This ****ing thread tbh

I know enough about Asperger's and have enough evidence from your posts to say that there's more than a 0% chance you have it

Answer the question.

Oh look you're beating around the bush.

"What does that have to do with Aspergers?"

"BECAUSE I'M EDUCATED."

Okay hunty

Lay off the personal attacks please.

Everybody.