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The Batlord 01-29-2019 11:03 AM

I'm no expert but as far as I know Malthus' projections have been incredibly off and food production has increased far more exponentially than he ever predicted through modern agrigultural technology to the point where it has outpaced population growth.

DwnWthVwls 01-29-2019 11:11 AM

At what environmental cost and how sustainable are they?

The Batlord 01-29-2019 11:19 AM

Like I said no expert and I'm only really casually disputing a guy whose calculations were from 200 years ago. I certainly don't know what's sustainable given the current rate of technological growth vs. population growth.

OccultHawk 01-29-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2038685)
I'm no expert but as far as I know Malthus' projections have been incredibly off and food production has increased far more exponentially than he ever predicted through modern agrigultural technology to the point where it has outpaced population growth.

Resources are limited. Technology can’t change that. Whatever his numbers were the Malthusian principals are indisputable. Currently we’re depleting renewable resources faster than they’re renewing. Fish. Trees. Arable land. Potable water. Rain forests. Aquifers. And the oil that our agricultural machinery will not run on without. And replacing fossil fuels that hold hundreds of millions years worth of solar energy with alternative energy sources is a Pollyanna fairytale. Our DNA demands we Easter Island ourselves. The premise of Malthusian thought is we’re populating ourselves into starvation and we are.

OccultHawk 01-29-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2038693)
Like I said no expert and I'm only really casually disputing a guy whose calculations were from 200 years ago. I certainly don't know what's sustainable given the current rate of technological growth vs. population growth.

Unless we turn ourselves into robots we’re going to need to consume other living organisms (or at least organic matter) to survive.

DwnWthVwls 01-29-2019 11:51 AM

Go vegan! And be mindful of your carbon footprint and unnecessary consumption of products. Thats all i got.

Dude111 01-29-2019 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk
My point is that vaccinations are comparatively as crucial

They also poision to your immune system..... MANY PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THIS AND DONT WANNA HURT THEMSELVES!

The Batlord 01-29-2019 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2038699)
Resources are limited. Technology can’t change that. Whatever his numbers were the Malthusian principals are indisputable. Currently we’re depleting renewable resources faster than they’re renewing. Fish. Trees. Arable land. Potable water. Rain forests. Aquifers. And the oil that our agricultural machinery will not run on without. And replacing fossil fuels that hold hundreds of millions years worth of solar energy with alternative energy sources is a Pollyanna fairytale. Our DNA demands we Easter Island ourselves. The premise of Malthusian thought is we’re populating ourselves into starvation and we are.

I mean I don't disagree in principle but Malthus is still a major contributor to eugenics and my original pithy but fun point was that Bill Gates' comments could still be interpreted as kinder friendlier eugenics on the down low.

OccultHawk 01-29-2019 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2038710)
I mean I don't disagree in principle but Malthus is still a major contributor to eugenics and my original pithy but fun point was that Bill Gates' comments could still be interpreted as kinder friendlier eugenics on the down low.

I wish we would apply some eugenics to stop the idiocracy.

The Batlord 01-29-2019 12:23 PM

Well of course you do but Malthusian Liberal eugenics is more about killing the poor for the sake of the meritocratic wealthy.


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