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View Poll Results: Your level of observance?
Non-practicing/secular form of religion 19 44.19%
A little observant 3 6.98%
Middle-of-the-road observance 10 23.26%
Strict adherence to religious rules 4 9.30%
Don't know 7 16.28%
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Old 12-20-2011, 04:38 PM   #401 (permalink)
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Old 12-20-2011, 04:40 PM   #402 (permalink)
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I'm going to stop now. I stand by what I have said, but I am coming across like a twaddle. Didn't mean to be such a bell end about it.
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Old 12-20-2011, 04:48 PM   #403 (permalink)
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Seems Clancy doesn't like the idea of rebirth.

If he is a reductionist, then he will be more likely to follow the "physicalist" approach to psychology, rather than the "dualist" approach that will separate the mind from the body.

It's hard to consider the mind as being separate from the body, because the brain is effected directly by the conditions it is in. If you pass a small current over a small area of the brain, you won't be ably to say your own name. So clearly the mind is something intrinsic to the body.

But on the other hand, we don't know nearly enough about the brain to say that emotions and thoughts are simply chemical impulses or an elaborate endocrine hormonal system, or whatever I'm supposed to write here, I'm way to tired to be online...

So, the question concerning rebirth remains: is the mind necessarily intrinsic to the body? If not, then a separate entity exists and can be reborn, or whatever happens these days.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:23 PM   #404 (permalink)
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:52 PM   #405 (permalink)
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I guess you haven't realized that by being an atheist, you too believe in something that has yet to be definitively proven
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:54 PM   #406 (permalink)
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Nice video. What exactly does it have to do with this discussion?

Edit: Just seen the post above. Not really the same is it. I am pretty sure the Doctor in the video wouldn't, based on his research, go around telling people the brain, body and soul are separate. Merely he is looking into it.
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Mr. Zoon, I think you're in the same boat as Mr. Clancy insofar as when you say God, you mean a Judeo-Christian God.

I had an IR professor in college, Iranian expatriate thrown out during the revolution. He was saying once how most people in America (and the west) have Christianity so ingrained in them that when they say they are agnostic/atheist they say its in reference to Christianity even if they don't specificy. The whole concept of religion, which they reject, is fundamentally rooted in Christianity.

I don't have a problem with people not believing in God, but just make sure (and I'm not saying this speciafically to you, or that you are doing this, Jans) you're not thinking the story of Jesus is illogical and all creators in any form.


Tommy Boy - I don't think talking to you is going to be worth our time. You seem too closed-minded for me. Sorry buddy.

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For my money, Futurama got "God" better than anyone else. I cant find a larger clip than this, but as for looks, and philosophy, I'm with them...

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Nice video. What exactly does it have to do with this discussion?

Edit: Just seen the post above. Not really the same is it. I am pretty sure the Doctor in the video wouldn't, based on his research, go around telling people the brain, body and soul are separate. Merely he is looking into it.
It's related to Might Salami's most recent post about the mind being seperate from the body.

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Mr. Zoon, I think you're in the same boat as Mr. Clancy insofar as when you say God, you mean a Judeo-Christian God.

I had an IR professor in college, Iranian expatriate thrown out during the revolution. He was saying once how most people in America (and the west) have Christianity so ingrained in them that when they say they are agnostic/atheist they say its in reference to Christianity even if they don't specificy. The whole concept of religion, which they reject, is fundamentally rooted in Christianity.

I don't have a problem with people not believing in God, but just make sure (and I'm not saying this speciafically to you, or that you are doing this, Jans) you're not thinking the story of Jesus is illogical and all creators in any form.


Tommy Boy - I don't think talking to you is going to be worth our time. You seem too closed-minded for me. Sorry buddy.

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For my money, Futurama got "God" better than anyone else. I cant find a larger clip than this, but as for looks, and philosophy, I'm with them...

Absolutely correct. I often say the same thing to my atheist friends. A lot of atheists don't know enough about religion abroad to reject it completely. Most atheists I know don't even know enough about Christianty. They hear the stories of the bible and take them in the most literal sense and just instantly disregard them, and it's understandable. I'm no bible nut but it's quite obvious that the bible shouldn't be taken so literally. It can be interpreted in many ways and it's been translated so often that some of it's true meaning has been twisted.

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He clearly said that he meant all religions, not just christianity.

While the lessons that most religions teach are beneficial, believing that there is a higher power is foolish. Having a "lack of evidence" for the non-existence of god/gods is not anything like having a lack of evidence for the existence of god.
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