crukster

In my experience a lot of atheists tend to be pretty evasive about that. The ones I've talked to online (which maybe don't represent the core of atheism and are probably just angry 12 year olds) tend to go by the rule of, while they're telling you how bad religion is, atheism is not a religion or group of any sort, it's just the name "given to them" like infidel or heathen.

But outside of the discussion/in another discussion, those same people argue atheism deserves as much respect as any religion because the choice of "non-belief" (in what tends to be specifically the Abrahamic Faiths) is in itself, apparently a belief and a group. It's hypocrisy.

I think it's stupid. If you truly don't believe in any religion, then there is no relevant word or group you're a part of, religiously speaking. Where you'd write "place your religion here" you'd leave a blank space surely.

That's why generally speaking I don't like atheism, don't respect it. If someone choose not to believe in a religion, or for that matter ANY religion, or God at all, then fine I respect that that's their choice.

But not atheism - atheism to me, equals anti-belief, and nothing in it's own right. I think atheism is arguably the way of the anti-christ, the false messiah, the serpent.

It's completely different from not-believing. People have crisis of faith, people choose not to believe, thats up to them, its not anti- anything it's just the way they go.

But to devote yourself to being ANTI- anything, well then, you cant go and ask for respect from those people. And thats what atheism is imo - anti-religion.


lmao how did you get that from what geddybass said? Do you think people just pull morals and belief and purpose out of their arse? Unless you've been alive for 10,000 years you can't in any way present a personal moral structure that could rival that which the Abrahamic faiths are built on.

I don't want to speak for her, I'm sure she'll answer you, but personally speaking, my religion is the foundation for my morals and purpose. I build on it, adapt it as I see fit and try utmost to do what I believe is right, and live my life like that. I'm sure that's what a lot of people do, maybe I'm flawed in my execution but if so I'll learn from it. That hardly equates to thinking less.




Lepanto wut? Try 29 May 1453 Istanbul when we pulled our ships over the hills with the chains and ****ed the Romans out of our land. Try Gallipoli 1916 when we defended the border against the United forces of the entire western "civilization". The Ottoman Empire was alive and well until the end of WWI. You think one defeat is anything against the entire campaign and History of the Turks? Turks are still alive and strong. If all the Turkic states formed a Union, as is likely will happen, they'll be a World superpower. USA know that, that's why they're scared.




All of those in both shades of blue there. Imo that'll be one of the sides in the next World War.

You can't keep a Turk down. So he loses a battle, well he wins the ****ing war, my friend.

Your mummy who? Dinosaurs wtf?

Are you ****in retarded man, you wanna outright racially insult me, my Blood Homeland, my People? No we do not believe people lived with dinosaurs. Gtfo you ignorant dikhead.

Man you're jealous cos I know my roots. Go learn your own, that's all I can say.

Schranz bass

Whoa....nationalism....
Ok, ok, ok: YOUR people are better at killing, and holding grudges; so simian.

I thought only gorillas are proud of killing and hurting.

Fukc America, and the horses they rode in on.

'The next world war'? That is such primitive, atrocious way of thinking. I'll be sure to bring some bananas for you and your gorilla killing tribe.

Can you prove that the majority of your kind don't believe humans lived with dinosaurs?

Dirty

I'll say right off the bat that I consider myself an atheist and I'm not angry or a 12 year old. I'm pretty uncaring about labels, but by definition I would be an atheist since atheism is basically the non-belief in a God or Gods. I don't know why you equate atheism with anti-religion. I know some atheists are anti-religion but that's not what atheism is.

For myself, religion just is not a part of my life. It isn't something I really think about or care about. I don't care what others believe in either, though I do find it stupid that some people let religion run their lives. I personally don't consider atheism a religion. Like you said in your first paragraph, I consider atheism a term given to people who do not believe in a God.

TockTockTock

Well put.

You're right, but I am laughing more at the concept of a non-religion (I don't consider it one) of having a church. Maybe a meeting place/group/gathering, but I wouldn't refer to it as a church (but I'd rather argue about semantics at this point).

GeddyBass2112

One of the best posts I've read.

MOST atheists I've met are happy for me to practice my religion as long as I leave them to their own beliefs.

Burning Down

You hit the nail squarely on the head there regarding atheism.

Sneer

My two cents on the subject...

There is absolutely no way of proving the existence of a god, yet there is also no way of disproving the existence of a god. Obviously, this is where belief comes in.

I personally see the most rational stance on the subject as being Agnostic. There is no way of knowing either way, so just live your life as it unfolds before you.

I used to be very anti-religious, I freely admit that. I viewed the idea of living your life by a set of codes and regulations as constricting; alienating yourself from the true nature of being. As I mature and accrued a modicum of perspective, however, I came to appreciate that people's religious beliefs are just their own way of dealing with a world that, ultimately, is alien to all human beings in some aspect. It's necessary to assert meaning to an existence that often appears meaningless, and Judaism, Christianity etc etc are just some of the ways in which people do that. They offer structure and security.

Others will disagree, and I respect everybody's beliefs, these are just mine.

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djchameleon

hmmm, I thought Agnostics were more of the belief that something may exist but they aren't sure what. They do believe there might be a higher power so they consider themselves at least spiritual. That was always my impression of what an Agnostic is. I could be completely wrong though.

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Sneer

Essentially, it is the belief that the existence of a deity is unknowable. Which is exactly where I stand. There are levels of agnosticism, some which lean more towards I belief in something, but I'm firmly in the middle on this.

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djchameleon

I guess I could consider myself Agnostic then. I believe there might be a higher power. Something out there greater than us but I don't like to follow the structure of any religion.

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