Neapolitan

I don't believe in ETIs there is absolutely no scientific evidence to jump to a conclusion that there is any, and there is a slim to none chance any other kind on life can exist on planets with hostile environments that inhibits life to form.

Communicate with other species - what? You don't know how to communicate with another forum member. Don't quote someone and go off on a tangent about being "close-minded and egotistical."

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anticipation

I've already given you sources on the habitable environments in the universe. Secondly, if you think that intelligent life on another planet is going to be human then I really don't know what to say. It is an incredibly idiotic thing to say that if a intelligent life can't travel 1000s of lightyears to our planet just to "probe" with us for 3-4 minutes at a time or doesn't have the ability to interact/communicate with us then it doesn't exist. The odds are overwhelmingly in favor of life in the cosmos, you are either willfully ignorant or incredibly stubborn to think otherwise.

Neapolitan

Enough with the insult, calm down. Odds don't prove anything, but just show the different possiblities. Coming up with statistical possiblities isn't the same as scientific fact.

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anticipation

No but bacterial fossilization and evidence from as close as Mars that the building blocks for life and evolution existed once does make a much better case than "I don't believe in aliens".

Guybrush

Just to put it out there, I believe in intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, but I don't believe that it's ever travelled here. The distances are just too vast. Also, I think if intelligent species got around like that in our universe, that would somehow influence our lives more strongly; it would be more apparent - likely in history as well as the present. I think that if one intelligent species could get here, the chances are so much greater that another could get here. And perhaps even another. If aliens came here some hundred thousands of years ago long before the rise of our own civilization, this planet must have presented such a wealth of resources. Yet there are no signs of alien industry for example on our planet that we know of.

Aliens are experienced only by a small minority of people and then I get very sceptical.

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Face

What is it with all this "belief".

There is or there isn't. There could be, but we don't know.

The chances of life developing could be far lower, or far greater than the number of planets in existence. We currently have absolutely have no idea of the odds of abiogenesis, so whatever that forumla is called for the odds is pretty pointless.

The need choose to be certain one side or another regarding aliens existence is unwarranted, unless you actually think you saw one I suppose.

wiggums

People tend to believe in things, whether they are warranted or not.

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I suppose, maybe it's their insistence they're obviously in the right, not that they just believe.

Points:

1. We have yet to discover any life form from anywhere other than earth. The mars fossils have some "similar features" to bacteria but "this does not prove definitively that the meteorite features are fossilised organisms".

2. All the number of earth like planets does is show that the odds of life relatively similar to that existing on earth (carbon based, possibiliy of our perception of intelligence etc) existing elsewhere is greater than zero.......as far as we know, for now.
(Also, some new research it may require asteroid belts similar to ours for life to survive for any length of time, in which case only 96% of earth like planets wouldn't quallify for anything beyond microscopic life....we really don't know much).

3. We have no real idea how (if???) abiogenesis came about, let alone the odds of it occurring, or even if it did it occurred on earth to start with.

4. We have absolutely no idea on the odds of life being supported/originating on non-earth like objects.

Actually, I'm fine with people believing. Not so much the claims that the odds are obviously in your favour when no-one has a clue.

Unless there's new research I haven't heard about, which I would be delighted to read about (and talk about?) if anyone has any interesting links. Genuinely.

[MERIT]

Sorry for bumping an old thread, but there were some comments directed towards me that I could address. I hadn't thought about my encounter in quite some time, this definitely brought up bad some memories.

The light that encompassed us seemed to be the means of transportation from the ship to our bedroom, and vise-versa.

Whether they intended me harm or not, this type of abduction and kidnapping is inappropriate and uncalled for. I'm sure they could have killed me and my family if they wanted to, but I am thankful that they did not. Whether they are our "watchers," or what some would equate as "guardian angels," who knows? I was only worried about my son and and my wife at the time.

I believe that all of the life in the universe is related. Humans have a very stripped down 2-strand DNA. From research that I've done and anecdotal evidence that I've come across, it appears that there is some sort of 'mother' strand of DNA with 24 strands, from which all life is created. I believe that they are monitoring humans and testing their blood, DNA, and all sorts of other bodily functions. Since we are are related through our DNA, if some infectious disease or illness wipes out us humans, it could potentially wipe out the ET's as well, as they would also be susceptible. I also believe that ET intervention in our DNA has aided us in making gigantic leaps in intelligence throughout our evolutionary process. The so called "missing link" is not a link at all, but rather the ET's stepping in and altering our genes to speed up our evolutionary growth. Perhaps there are families or strains of specific DNA alterations that they wish to keep a close eye on and inspect from time to time. Perhaps there are reincarnated souls in some of us and the ET's have a way of communicating directly with and monitoring those souls (or whatever you wish to call the consciousness which leaves our mortal bodies after death). With the scientific advancements in mapping brains and eventual attempts at uploading our brains into some computer interface, the notion of immortality doesn't seem as far fetched as it used to.

No, I am epileptic. Don't be an ass.

P A N

bump.

the notorious steven greer has released a documentary. for anyone interested, here it is:

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personally, until i shake hands with an alien, stuff like this is just fun for me to think about. i like thinking about it, but i put no stock in it. given, i do think the odds are in favour of the notion of intelligent life existing beyond the confines of planet earth, thus far i have reached no conclusions. what i am VERY interested in, though, is the prospect of energy sources which dwarf the efficiency (if you can even deign to call them efficient) of our current implements. this topic is something greer and i have in common, and is addressed here and there in this doc (which i'm not even finished watching yet).

enjoy.