Sounds Like Bin Laden's Dead

crash_override · 05-02-2011, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James

I'm not celebrating someone's death, especially when I was 5 when the stuff happened and I'm not even American. But some people are saying I should be ashamed about this?
And isn't it a bit hypocritical for Obama to talk about god when he's celebrating killing someone? Which the bible tells you not to do?

The Bible also talks about "an eye for an eye"... so like most contradictory things in the Bible, you pick which one better suits your situation, and stick to it like it's the only thing you believe in.

You're looking at the situation wrong, it's not so much that he's celebrating his death, but rather a mission or goal that has been accomplished. It just so happened that goal included the termination of a human target.

djchameleon · 05-02-2011, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by right-track

Well said ^

Also, according to the last press report I read, Bin Laden's body has been buried at sea.
And the report of one of the helicopter's having mechanical problems and later destroyed by the special services sounds all very wrong to me...

they needed to bury his body quickly because of Islamic law. There is something saying that you have to be buried within 24 hours.

They did it at sea because they didn't want people finding where his body was and digging it up basically.

It's not common to bury at sea but it is common for a quick burial.

Source: Bin Laden's body buried at sea | World news | guardian.co.uk

I see this as a small victory like a battle won but a war far from over. A war that will probably never be over because you can't stop all terrorists alive.

As a New Yorker and I was in the Navy at the time when it happened. I'm very happy about this news that he died. I normally don't celebrate anyone's death but I'm human and my emotions are taking over my judgment on this one.

On 9/11, brass flooded the boot camp that I was at and I had no idea why there were so many officers around. They barely wanted to tell us people that were in boot camp what was going on. They pulled aside people that specifically lived in new york and may have family in the buildings to call and check up on them. At the time, my mother was working in the city and I didn't get a chance to call home and check to see if she was okay. Talk about a nerve racking time. She was okay though, she worked a few blocks over from the attacks but at the time I had no idea what was happening in New York. I didn't even get to see 9/11 footage until I fucking graduated from Boot Camp about 4 weeks later.

Freebase Dali · 05-02-2011, 05:37 AM

Two things are guaranteed to result from this development:

1. There will be a movement questioning whether the whole thing was conveniently set up. (So they just so happened to toss the body into the sea) And will question whether they killed him [Osama] at all.

2. There will be a movement questioning whether the operation was put off until now, under Obama, in order to achieve a political goal for the upcoming elections.

I'm not saying these are my views... I'm just saying, prepare your arguments.

djchameleon · 05-02-2011, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Two things are guaranteed to result from this development:

1. There will be a movement questioning whether the whole thing was conveniently set up. (So they just so happened to toss the body into the sea) And will question whether they killed him [Osama] at all.

2. There will be a movement questioning whether the operation was put off until now, under Obama, in order to achieve a political goal for the upcoming elections.

I'm not saying these are my views... I'm just saying, prepare your arguments.

Yep, especially number 2.

I already had a discussion with my cousin about it on facebook because he left a status pretty much saying the same thing.

TockTockTock · 05-02-2011, 05:46 AM

I remember a discussion on Morning Joe a few months ago about how his death would be more of a symbolic victory... I have to say my thoughts lean more towards this direction.

I am also conflicted with the jubilation that I have seen in the news -- both from regular citizens and from media figures. I'm not sure if I should be disgusted with the happiness expressed over revenge or be relieved that another dangerous man is no longer lurking about in the world.

Zer0 · 05-02-2011, 06:15 AM

I find it rather suspicious that the public haven't heard a thing from Bin Laden in a long time and now all of a sudden we hear that he's 'dead' and was 'buried at sea'. By burying him at sea does this mean that the US can't give evidence that they've just killed him? He could have been killed years ago and the US probably just stayed in Afghanistan just for the oil, and now announcing that he's dead will give Obama's profile a boost ahead of the elections. I could be wrong but you never know.

Oil prices are now also starting fall btw.

s_k · 05-02-2011, 06:21 AM

You know what I think is strange?
All these 'characters' (e.g.: Bin Laden, Hitler, Saddam) have a pretty generic face with some very recognizable elements (Hitler's haircut & 'tache, Saddam's 'tache, Bin Laden's beard and hat). I always have the feeling that there's a whole bunch of Saddams, Hitlers and Laden's. They are recognizable, but very imitable.
If they don't want to be tracked down and killed, why are they so recognizable?

~~Farfisa~~ · 05-02-2011, 06:31 AM

I want some death photos, this is starting to feel very fishy.

right-track · 05-02-2011, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zero1986

By burying him at sea does this mean that the US can't give evidence that they've just killed him?.

You'd think they'd go to great pains in documenting his death to the world public rather than bury him hastily at sea.
The argument about the burial timing holds no water (excuse the pun) with me.
OK to kill a muslim so long as we give him the respect of an appropriate burial?

djchameleon · 05-02-2011, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s_k

You know what I think is strange?
All these 'characters' (e.g.: Bin Laden, Hitler, Saddam) have a pretty generic face with some very recognizable elements (Hitler's haircut & 'tache, Saddam's 'tache, Bin Laden's beard and hat). I always have the feeling that there's a whole bunch of Saddams, Hitlers and Laden's. They are recognizable, but very imitable.
If they don't want to be tracked down and killed, why are they so recognizable?

I don't get what you are saying, you seem to be talking in circles but anyways.

The MAIN reason why it took so long to find him is because he had a lot of "clones". Either he would get someone that looks similar to him to dress in that garb so that he is very recognizable so that you can go kill an imposter but never get the real one. Even if the person didn't look like him, they would give the person plastic surgery so that they could look more like Bin Laden to become an imposter.

There is a movie coming out pretty soon that describes this process.

05-02-2011, 06:15 AM	#226 (permalink)
Zer0 ∞ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 3,792	I find it rather suspicious that the public haven't heard a thing from Bin Laden in a long time and now all of a sudden we hear that he's 'dead' and was 'buried at sea'. By burying him at sea does this mean that the US can't give evidence that they've just killed him? He could have been killed years ago and the US probably just stayed in Afghanistan just for the oil, and now announcing that he's dead will give Obama's profile a boost ahead of the elections. I could be wrong but you never know. Oil prices are now also starting fall btw. __________________ Last FM \| RYM \| The Final Sound

05-02-2011, 06:21 AM	#227 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	You know what I think is strange? All these 'characters' (e.g.: Bin Laden, Hitler, Saddam) have a pretty generic face with some very recognizable elements (Hitler's haircut & 'tache, Saddam's 'tache, Bin Laden's beard and hat). I always have the feeling that there's a whole bunch of Saddams, Hitlers and Laden's. They are recognizable, but very imitable. If they don't want to be tracked down and killed, why are they so recognizable? __________________ Click here to see my collection

05-02-2011, 05:37 AM	#223 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Two things are guaranteed to result from this development: 1. There will be a movement questioning whether the whole thing was conveniently set up. (So they just so happened to toss the body into the sea) And will question whether they killed him [Osama] at all. 2. There will be a movement questioning whether the operation was put off until now, under Obama, in order to achieve a political goal for the upcoming elections. I'm not saying these are my views... I'm just saying, prepare your arguments.

05-02-2011, 05:46 AM	#225 (permalink)
TockTockTock They/Them Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,914	I remember a discussion on Morning Joe a few months ago about how his death would be more of a symbolic victory... I have to say my thoughts lean more towards this direction. I am also conflicted with the jubilation that I have seen in the news -- both from regular citizens and from media figures. I'm not sure if I should be disgusted with the happiness expressed over revenge or be relieved that another dangerous man is no longer lurking about in the world.

05-02-2011, 06:31 AM	#228 (permalink)
~~Farfisa~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,773	I want some death photos, this is starting to feel very fishy.