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Dotoar 06-07-2011 09:08 AM

Do trolls have free will?

The Virgin 06-08-2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1065689)

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Originally Posted by Dotoar (Post 1065694)
Do trolls have free will?

you can say whatever you want to say, i'm not affected.
anything that is untrue and a pure fallacy does not impact me.
just thought you ought to know.

Mr November 06-08-2011 06:10 PM

Poor Virgin. This thread is making my day haha.

Sansa Stark 06-08-2011 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1065659)
Yes we can say "I have free will!" but we must never forget to include "Thanks to God!"



i'm not quite sure if i understand what you've said but since the wordings are great, i'll say i agree.

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Stephen 06-13-2011 07:25 PM

I'm not sure if this is slightly off-topic to exclude god from the equation. I kind of feel that any lack of free will is unconsciously self-imposed. It seems to be human nature to live our lives rigidly enforcing our own beliefs. We can experience brief interludes of lucidity when our current belief system breaks down but it is soon replaced by something equally as rigid and we are apt to outrageous levels of self-deception and mental gymnastics in order to conform any new information to our world view.

CanwllCorfe 06-13-2011 11:13 PM

My stepmom was talking about her son, I guess my stepbrother, about the devil having control over his life. This control that the devil has over him has put him into jail twice now. It just really irks me when the devil tells me to run from the police, ditch the car, and proceed running on foot. I need Jesus in my life to set me straight. That's what I need. Weeks later I would end up in jail again. It just really irks me when the devil tells me to take drugs. I need Jesus in my life to set me straight. That's what I need.

The Virgin 06-14-2011 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1070134)
My stepmom was talking about her son, I guess my stepbrother, about the devil having control over his life. This control that the devil has over him has put him into jail twice now. It just really irks me when the devil tells me to run from the police, ditch the car, and proceed running on foot. I need Jesus in my life to set me straight. That's what I need. Weeks later I would end up in jail again. It just really irks me when the devil tells me to take drugs. I need Jesus in my life to set me straight. That's what I need.

my friend, pray daily, and always think happy thoughts. just positive ones. the more you think of the devil, the more it will control you. but oppositely, the more you think of Jesus, the more He will control your life towards the good path so always pray hard.

Janszoon 06-14-2011 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1070134)
My stepmom was talking about her son, I guess my stepbrother, about the devil having control over his life. This control that the devil has over him has put him into jail twice now. It just really irks me when the devil tells me to run from the police, ditch the car, and proceed running on foot. I need Jesus in my life to set me straight. That's what I need. Weeks later I would end up in jail again. It just really irks me when the devil tells me to take drugs. I need Jesus in my life to set me straight. That's what I need.

:laughing:

cardboard adolescent 06-22-2011 01:52 AM

God can create a space within itself where the illusion of free will can take place.

cardboard adolescent 06-22-2011 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fazstp (Post 1069972)
I'm not sure if this is slightly off-topic to exclude god from the equation. I kind of feel that any lack of free will is unconsciously self-imposed. It seems to be human nature to live our lives rigidly enforcing our own beliefs. We can experience brief interludes of lucidity when our current belief system breaks down but it is soon replaced by something equally as rigid and we are apt to outrageous levels of self-deception and mental gymnastics in order to conform any new information to our world view.

that's only true if you think about it

cardboard adolescent 06-22-2011 01:58 AM

you see, every path available to the universe is explored, and free will is the feeling that a path has been chosen, which is true, every path is chosen. you are the chosen one, you are the free one, the one... welcome my son, know that i love you, know that all will happen just as it should. my holy sister, the hour of our divinity is at hand

Zyrenah 06-22-2011 03:44 AM

The free will issue has always confused me. I don't think it is 'free will' as one would initially understand it to be.

The Batlord 06-22-2011 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 1074955)
you see, every path available to the universe is explored, and free will is the feeling that a path has been chosen, which is true, every path is chosen. you are the chosen one, you are the free one, the one... welcome my son, know that i love you, know that all will happen just as it should. my holy sister, the hour of our divinity is at hand

BubbadubbachumbawumbaWHAAAAT?!?!?!?!:yikes:

Howard the Duck 06-22-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 1074955)
you see, every path available to the universe is explored, and free will is the feeling that a path has been chosen, which is true, every path is chosen. you are the chosen one, you are the free one, the one... welcome my son, know that i love you, know that all will happen just as it should. my holy sister, the hour of our divinity is at hand

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1075067)
BubbadubbachumbawumbaWHAAAAT?!?!?!?!:yikes:

don't question it, just embrace it

RVCA 06-23-2011 02:34 PM

I like to think that we are all nothing more than cosmic dust in the wind; bits of exploded stars from the distant past, to become nothing more than particles all but infinitely recycled into new stars of the distant future. We are so comically infinitesimal that our "will" and our "choices" ultimately mean absolutely nothing, so even if you believe that we have control over our own "destiny", your beliefs don't change the universe's vast, implacable indifference towards us.

cardboard adolescent 06-23-2011 02:41 PM

I always get the feeling that the stars are laughing at me. I think that's what the twinkling is.

The Virgin 06-23-2011 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA (Post 1075752)
I like to think that we are all nothing more than cosmic dust in the wind; bits of exploded stars from the distant past, to become nothing more than particles all but infinitely recycled into new stars of the distant future. We are so comically infinitesimal that our "will" and our "choices" ultimately mean absolutely nothing, so even if you believe that we have control over our own "destiny", your beliefs don't change the universe's vast, implacable indifference towards us.

of course our will and our choices mean something.
if you feel like you're just a dust, then don't generalize all people.
maybe it's just you. or the way you're dealing with yourself right now.
but in all totality, we do are created with purpose and reason.

RVCA 06-23-2011 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1075769)
of course our will and our choices mean something.
if you feel like you're just a dust, then don't generalize all people.
maybe it's just you. or the way you're dealing with yourself right now.
but in all totality, we do are created with purpose and reason.

lol

Howard the Duck 06-23-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1075769)
of course our will and our choices mean something.
if you feel like you're just a dust, then don't generalize all people.
maybe it's just you. or the way you're dealing with yourself right now.
but in all totality, we do are created with purpose and reason.

"stardust" envy

The Batlord 06-24-2011 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1075769)
of course our will and our choices mean something.

And what would that be? What could our actions possibly do to affect the larger universe? What could our actions possibly do to affect an omnipotent being? I mean if we end up killing every single thing on this planet with a nuclear war, even the moon probably wouldn't be affected in the slightest.

The Virgin 06-24-2011 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1076188)
And what would that be? What could our actions possibly do to affect the larger universe? What could our actions possibly do to affect an omnipotent being? I mean if we end up killing every single thing on this planet with a nuclear war, even the moon probably wouldn't be affected in the slightest.

the purpose is not always to be something that is large.
remember, every journey begins with a simple step.

The Batlord 06-24-2011 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1076191)
the purpose is not always to be something that is large.
remember, every journey begins with a simple step.

Why don't you just admit that you have no earthly idea what that purpose is and therefore that you don't even know if there is a purpose. Or that just by virtue of his being "God", he can even give you a purpose.

The Virgin 06-24-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1076197)
Why don't you just admit that you have no earthly idea what that purpose is and therefore that you don't even know if there is a purpose. Or that just by virtue of his being "God", he can even give you a purpose.

nope, i can't admit something that's not me.
nobody knows what our purpose is until we fulfilled it.
only then can we say that indeed, we live with purpose.
i myself have already found my purpose so that's why I know, God gives us purpose here on earth.
that's the very reason why he created us.

Howard the Duck 06-24-2011 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1076197)
Why don't you just admit that you have no earthly idea what that purpose is and therefore that you don't even know if there is a purpose. Or that just by virtue of his being "God", he can even give you a purpose.

do we even need a "purpose"?

i believe everything is predestined, so i'm just doing the mechanical thing of whatever fate makes me do

The Virgin 06-24-2011 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1076200)
do we even need a "purpose"?

i believe everything is predestined, so i'm just doing the mechanical thing of whatever fate makes me do

that's why we have free will.
free will to decide if we want to act out on our purpose or completely ignore it.

Howard the Duck 06-24-2011 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1076202)
that's why we have free will.
free will to decide if we want to act out on our purpose or completely ignore it.

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The Batlord 06-24-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1076199)
nope, i can't admit something that's not me.
nobody knows what our purpose is until we fulfilled it.
only then can we say that indeed, we live with purpose.
i myself have already found my purpose so that's why I know, God gives us purpose here on earth.
that's the very reason why he created us.

In other words, until you've decided what it is you want to do with your life, you don't have a purpose. This is a secular idea that you have wrapped in religious babble. "Purpose" is a human invention that has absolutely no meaning unless we humans agree that it has meaning.

The Virgin 06-24-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1076207)
In other words, until you've decided what it is you want to do with your life, you don't have a purpose. This is a secular idea that you have wrapped in religious babble. "Purpose" is a human invention that has absolutely no meaning unless we humans agree that it has meaning.

well the humans that i've been around it pretty much agrees so there, to put an end to this argument.

The Batlord 06-24-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1076208)
well the humans that i've been around it pretty much agrees so there, to put an end to this argument.

What?

Bloozcrooz 06-24-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1076208)
well the humans that i've been around it pretty much agrees so there, to put an end to this argument.

Lmao Omg dude

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The Batlord 06-24-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz (Post 1076212)
Lmao Omg dude

He has nothing to say so he's playing the illiterate idiot card.

[MERIT] 06-24-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1076199)
nope, i can't admit something that's not me.
nobody knows what our purpose is until we fulfilled it.
only then can we say that indeed, we live with purpose.
i myself have already found my purpose so that's why I know, God gives us purpose here on earth.
that's the very reason why he created us.

Leaving out all of the religious reasoning, I agree that we must give purpose to our own lives.

The Virgin 06-25-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1076326)
Leaving out all of the religious reasoning, I agree that we must give purpose to our own lives.

agree..living without a purpose is just a living a meaningless life. i don't like that.

Howard the Duck 06-25-2011 12:37 PM

we're all just robots in a design already made by God

[MERIT] 06-25-2011 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1076672)
agree..living without a purpose is just a living a meaningless life. i don't like that.

I was hinting more on the idea that pacifying our ego is up to us, and that our purpose in life may not be inherent, but up to us to decide and bring to fruition.


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