ok, i got you. so what's your take on free will?

Well see the thing that I despise about the Bible is that it is riddled with contradictions that's why some Christians that rely on it so heavily are pretty much hypocrites.

It's not their fault per say, it's the stupid ass Catholic church that decided to translate the scrolls incorrectly. I also feel like they tampered with the Bible to make it what they wanted it to say and they left out books on purpose.

There is a big lost in translation factor going on with the Bible that's why I no longer like it. I read through all of the old testament when I was 17 and the beginning parts of the new testament when I just had to give up on it.

People take from the Bible what they want. Three people can read the same verse and tell you three different interpretations of what they believe the verse said.

OJ is right about the homosexuality thing sort of. There is a verse that all Christians that know something about the Bible like to pull out of their ass to show you that homosexuality is considered a sin but on the other hand the bible also states that God loves all of his creations.

As far as the marriage and sex point. You are allowed to have sex but it's not supposed to be for pleasure and for procreation. It says that marriage is between a man and woman. The whole point about procreating out of wedlock isn't even mentioned in the bible as a bad thing, If I remember correctly. I could be wrong about that last bit. I'd have to see a verse saying differently but I don't think there is one.

my take on this thread, is that God doesn't "give" free will

man only assumes he has free will, when in fact everything is already predestined, like as I already going to type what I just typed, i only think i'm doing it out of my own volition, but this set of words is already in God's mind even before I typed them, it's predestined

You do realize that you just contradicted yourself don't you?

I think that we all inherently have free well, regardless of a God.

Like it's just an illusion of free will?

That's true. Christian's quote the Bible, but then say that "in the end, it's all up to God." The only sources of "God's will" that we have to go off of have all come from man. Doesn't anybody see a problem with that?

Ok, so can we agree that if this is the case, God must be responsible for both good and evil equally? Everything is both his accomplishment and his fault.

Hypothetically.

Yes.

I don't think he's responsible for evil - more like he brokered with the Devil this many souls are going to Hell.

So now he's negotiating with the Devil? Why?

The Devil gets a bad rap.

What happened was that he was God's right hand angel and loved God very much but he became jealous of God's new creations(humans).

This jealousy led him to do something I can't remember how it actually went down but he was casted out of heaven with other angels that decided to follow in his footsteps becoming known as Fallen angels.

God sent him down to earth to rule over earth and hell.

they already had a deal since Lucifer got kicked out of Heaven