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Old 07-13-2011, 07:26 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Debate is fine people but let's please refrain from insulting each other. Attack the argument, not the person.
Sorry Jansz.. your right. And I apologize to all other members and Mods that have posted in this thread as well. I hope I didn't insult you Dirty, that was not my intent. I should have focused my reply to the main subject at hand.
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:29 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Sorry Jansz.. your right. And I apologize to all other members and Mods that have posted in this thread as well. I hope I didn't insult you Dirty, that was not my intent. I should have focused my reply to the main subject at hand.
I think Janz was referring to me [insult removed]
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:40 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Sorry Jansz.. your right. And I apologize to all other members and Mods that have posted in this thread as well. I hope I didn't insult you Dirty, that was not my intent. I should have focused my reply to the main subject at hand.
It's all good brotha, I don't get offended on the internet or really much in general. No worries.
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:40 PM   #84 (permalink)
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I think Janz was referring to me [insult removed]
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I think Janz was referring to me [insult removed]
That's correct. And if I removed your insult once, obviously it's not appropriate for you to post it again.
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:29 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:06 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Why does the mode by which he became aware of the events have any bearing whatsoever on how he should form his opinion? It doesn't. The fact that he happens to agree with the majrity of those who publicy voice their opinions is in no way his fault, nor should it discount his feelings toward the situation, nor anyone else's.
I'm not saying whether or not he should believe that Casey Anthony is guilty, I'm saying that this media led witch hunt (whether it's justifiable to demonize this girl or not) is an excuse to get people to yell and be angry and get their blood pressure up in an irrational frenzy of mob hatred.

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And how is he, or any other person voicing their opinion, helping the media profit from her death? I have never once seen Dirty on Fox News spewing hate, nor at Barnes & Noble hocking a book about the murder.
Every time you watch a Dateline special or a special news report or "whatever" you are telling the media that if they want ratings and add revenue they should continue to broadcast this case. They know that this is the kind of case that will get them ratings and add revenue, being a case of a murdered white girl and an "evil" mother. As terrible as this case is, it is not the only terrible case in America, but it has everything the news media knows will tug on the people's heart strings, so they are using it.

If the public was really as concerned as they appear to be about these things, they would actually do something about it (give to a charity for child abuse, start a neighborhood watch, actually pay more attention to their kids, or something). But they do not, because what they really want is not to actually "do" something, they just want to get their adrenaline pumping and get angry and have people see just how much they care about it.

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You say I "oversimplify" things, you can't see the forest for the trees man. The only people profiting from this are the lawyers and the jurors (who will write tell-all books). People like Nancy Grace and Jane Valez-Mitchell would get paid no matter what they talk about on their shows, so your argument is moot on that front.
There are more pundits and journalists than you can shake a stick at. If they do not find something that grabs the public's attention, someone else will. So, no they would not "get paid no matter what they talk about on their shows", they would get cancelled because no one would care.


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Don't tell me that I "oversimplify" things just because we have differing opinions. If you want to talk to me like I'm an idiot, then I will start to do the same.
If your argument sucks don't expect me to sugar coat my responses to make you feel better. I would expect you to give me the same courtesy, otherwise I'd be liable to think my bad arguments had weight that they don't have and just keep on doing it. A little bit of irritation and humiliation is better than continuing to sound like an idiot.

Note: I'm not saying you sound like an idiot, I'm just speaking generally.

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Mkay? kay. "Oversimplifying" would be more like relegating anyone who thinks that she is guilty into being a "lynch mob," wouldn't it? It would.
I guess it would be annoying for me to tell you that this is a strawman? Oh well. Just thinking that she's guilty is not being a lynch mob. I think she's probably guilty of something, but I'm not shooting off at the mouth about how she should fry.
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If the public was really as concerned as they appear to be about these things, they would actually do something about it (give to a charity for child abuse, start a neighborhood watch, actually pay more attention to their kids, or something). But they do not, because what they really want is not to actually "do" something, they just want to get their adrenaline pumping and get angry and have people see just how much they care about it.
Well the people that feel this way have directed their attention to trying to get this stupid law passed called Caylee's Law.

Also they think it's a brilliant idea to waste energy by keeping porch lights on.


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I think she's probably guilty of something, but I'm not shooting off at the mouth about how she should fry.
Yeah, that's how I feel, I don't think she's completely innocent but I don't think she deserves to die for whatever happened.
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Every time you watch a Dateline special or a special news report or "whatever" you are telling the media that if they want ratings and add revenue they should continue to broadcast this case. They know that this is the kind of case that will get them ratings and add revenue, being a case of a murdered white girl and an "evil" mother. As terrible as this case is, it is not the only terrible case in America, but it has everything the news media knows will tug on the people's heart strings, so they are using it.
You do realize that THE F*CKING NEWS will be on every day, regardless of whether people watch it, and regardless of their reasoning for doing so, right? By your edict, if we all stop watching the news, all news will just go away and stop happening. Just becuase you choose to see no evil and hear no evil does not mean that evil will just go away.

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If the public was really as concerned as they appear to be about these things, they would actually do something about it (give to a charity for child abuse, start a neighborhood watch, actually pay more attention to their kids, or something). But they do not, because what they really want is not to actually "do" something, they just want to get their adrenaline pumping and get angry and have people see just how much they care about it.
I'm aware of numerous charities and organization which have formed in direct relation to this incident, as well as a new law being petitioned called "Caylee's Law." But those things don't fit your point of view, so please continue to ignore them and make sweeping generalizations about things that you disagree with. (See, I can say that you "generalize" things too).

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There are more pundits and journalists than you can shake a stick at. If they do not find something that grabs the public's attention, someone else will. So, no they would not "get paid no matter what they talk about on their shows", they would get cancelled because no one would care.
Not true in the least. Whether they are reporting on the Casey Anthony trial, raising the debt ceiling, Nathan's July 4th hotdog eating contest, or new pet leash laws, they will ALWAYS have viewers and always have a show. These are NEWS networks, they REPORT THE NEWS. Their employees and personalities work under contracts. Take your head out of the sand.

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If your argument sucks don't expect me to sugar coat my responses to make you feel better. I would expect you to give me the same courtesy, otherwise I'd be liable to think my bad arguments had weight that they don't have and just keep on doing it. A little bit of irritation and humiliation is better than continuing to sound like an idiot.
Funny thing is that I have no argument. All I'm doing is correcting yours, since you feel no need to validate or back up your opinions with silly things like facts, knowledge, or statistics.

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Note: I'm not saying you sound like an idiot, I'm just speaking generally.
So that's how to get around throwing an insult? I guess I shouldn't have said you were acting like a [insult removed, beat you too it Janz], I should have specified that I was just "speaking generally," since tacking that on the end of an insult totally negates the fact that it's an insult.

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I guess it would be annoying for me to tell you that this is a strawman? Oh well. Just thinking that she's guilty is not being a lynch mob. I think she's probably guilty of something, but I'm not shooting off at the mouth about how she should fry.
"Oh, look at me! I throw out overused 19th century literary terms with no clue as to their meaning or correct context in which they should be used. I'm so smart." Seriously dude, give it a rest. What "Strawman" argument have I, or anyone else thrown out? And if so, what was the real argument that strawman argument was meant to stand in place of? Oh, none? Oh, ok, maybe you have no clue what you're talking about. Anyhoo, I'm tired of correcting you while you remain ignorant, I'll let Dirty or someone else do it.

*Waits for your reply and another Strawman*

^See how annoying and unnecessary that is to post? Like we can't reply unless we're aware that you have finished and are eagerly awaiting ou responses, which you will instantly deconstruct with your massive intellect.

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