Okay, I mistook for a US study, I am defeated. The control group was still irrelevant to the real issue, thank you for ignoring that and all of my other points.

Keep thinking its harmless. 10,000+ nerve endings and sensitive tissue removed from an infant before the glans is even ready to separate from the skin. Harmless, except for the typical risks that involve surgery.

Perceptive. You're bright.

Bye.

Sometimes injustice is aggravating...

The inability to make a choice for yourself because some aged tradition makes it for you is an aggravating concept to me, and I can't believe that anyone defend another's rights being violated. I'm much more volatile towards our drinking water continuing to be fluoridated though and its terrible results. Including big build ups of it in the aquifers, as there are no natural filters for it.

There's likely people on here that would argue for that as well.

That study doesn't explain what's contributing to ED in the two. Circumcision has rendered some men impotent, this is documented. It hardens up and keratinizes the glans, which gets further desensitized over time. There's many personal verifications of this from guys that have been circ'd.
I didn't say it was the single cause, but it is certainly at least a contributor to some of that percentage of ED in the US.

As for China, much of that country doesn't get anything close to proper nutrition, which what your body takes in as fuel does directly relate to sex drive. They also have more illness outbreaks than the United States. So I don't think its a good comparison.

Look, at the end of the day, if there's even a good chance that circ will reduce pleasure or severely complicate a male, it obviously shouldn't be forced on an unconsenting child. Common courtesy to your fellow human.

I'm leaving it at that.

I don't think it's a great comparison either and I couldn't find any sort of list online of a bunch of different countries and their respective ED rates. I just used that to illustrate that circumcision has a relatively minor effect on ED (if at all, seems more of a case by case basis that could easily be explained by something other than circumcision) and that all the things you listed are much more responsible.

Yay something we agree on. :wavey:

It may be small here but it's big in Japan.

There's a case in the news just now in Norway about circumcision. A two weeks old boy just died from medical complications caused by his circumcision a couple of days after the procedure. I did a google search and was able to find several similar cases where babies have died after circumcision. That people would have this done to their kids based on myths or other completely trivial reasons (vague feelings of tradition) seems even more bizzare to me now.

:eek: That's shocking, even I who is against circumcision (if it ain't broke don't fix it) didn't really think about the aftermath of it. That's so awful the baby died simply because his parents wanted follow religion/social normality.

I don't know if it's mentioned in here already but have you heard of the case of Bruce/Brenda/David Reimer??? good god

I think I remember it coming up earlier in the thread. Holy fucking hell.

Didn't he have a medical reason for his circumcision though? Sounds just like he had the misfortune of an inept, idiotic doctor who wanted to burn his foreskin off (wtf?).

I'm definitely against circumcision for no reason, but sometimes medical reasons necessitate it.

I've no problem with circumcision for medical reasons, just the story is totally wtf and reminded me of the story tore posted. Although personally I think David's story is a lot more horrifying.

@Tuna.

definitely, if it's purely for "hygenic" and the aesthetics I'm against it but I know a friend who had to be circumcised for a medical reason when he was around 19/20.