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View Poll Results: How do you feel about circumcision?
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Old 10-02-2011, 03:33 PM   #71 (permalink)
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I'm confused, I thought the foreskin retracts during erections so that it doesn't even come into play during sex?
The foreskin can move back and forth over the glans during sexual activity. The inner surface of the foreskin is a mucus membrane (like the inner surface of your lip) and includes a sensitive "ridged band" that lies flat against the glans when it is unerect. Touch-sensitive nerve endings, called Meissner's corpuscles, are found in the ridges. The ridged band provides sexual stimulation when rolling over the corona of the glans.
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These two are bullshit.

First, correlation =/= causation; don't try to establish baseline similarities between FGM and HIV incidence. How many partners do you think devout Muslim women have in their lifetimes? See what the incidence of HIV is in married Muslim women vs. unmarried. There's your cause.

Second, you really must be confused if you think that about circumcised men. The glans is the most sensitive part of the penis, you aren't aware that its increased exposure amounts to more unusual forms of stimulation? There are more accessible ways to bring circumcised men to climax than uncircumcised, I imagine.
Confused? I don't think so. See the following article about penis sensitivity:

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"Circumcision removes the most sensitive parts of the penis. The most sensitive regions in the uncircumcised penis are those parts ablated by circumcision. When compared to the most sensitive area of the circumcised penis, several locations on the uncircumcised penis (the rim of the preputial orifice, dorsal and ventral, the frenulum near the ridged band, and the frenulum at the muco-cutaneous junction) that are missing from the circumcised penis were significantly more sensitive."
Yes, I am aware that circumcising men as infants does appear to change their sexual activities as adults, increasing their frequency of masturbation, oral sex, and anal sex (Laumann et al. (1997) Circumcision in the United States: Prevalence, Prophylactic Effects, and Sexual Practice, J. of the American Medical Assoc, Volume 277, Number 13: Pages 1052-1057, Circumcision in the United States).

However, I have read that this change may be due not to increased sensitivity of the circumcised penis, but rather to social reasons and decreased sensitivity caused by loss of the foreskin.

Yes, correlation does not equal causation. The Tanzanian study of women looked at a variety of factors, including number of partners, and found that women who had experienced female genital mutilation still had lower HIV infection rates even when the number of sex partners was taken into account.

You seem to be assuming that only devout Muslim women are circumcised and that marriage status causes different HIV rates among Muslim women. You state this as fact. What is your source?

The point in this discussion of female genital mutilation (FGM), though, was to show that proponents of FGM have their arguments in favor of it and will use claims of reduced HIV rates and improved hygiene to argue that genital cutting of girls should be allowed, ignoring the human rights violations of children and the less invasive ways to achieve the same effects of improved health.

Supporters of male genital cutting do the same thing.

One example is that U.S. proponents of circumcision of baby boys cite as support the reduced HIV rate among African men who have been circumcised as adults, even though the effects of circumcision of men should not be assumed to be the same as the effects of circumcision on infants, since an infant's foreskin structure is very different than that of an adult's, the procedures differ, and the rates of complications and risks differ, as well.

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Do you think that female circumcision decreases likelihood of HIV, in that it decreases a woman's overall desire for sex?
I don't know if women whose genitals have been cut have a decreased desire for sex. If they do, and if a circumcised woman's decreased desire for sex translates into a decreased rate of actual sex, then this could reduce HIV infection rates.
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Old 10-02-2011, 03:43 PM   #72 (permalink)
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I get the feeling we're both agreeing on this anyway, but I don't think less risk of HIV (which can easily be controlled by sensible people anyway) is enough to justify mutilating a woman's vagina. Sometimes words can be misleading, but I think that the word mutilation perfectly sums up what these people are doing to baby girls.
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Old 10-02-2011, 05:07 PM   #73 (permalink)
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[B]I get the feeling we're both agreeing on this anyway, but I don't think less risk of HIV (which can easily be controlled by sensible people anyway) is enough to justify mutilating a woman's vagina. Sometimes words can be misleading, but I think that the word mutilation perfectly sums up what these people are doing to baby girls.
Yes, we're in agreement that cutting girls' healthy genitalia in any way is mutilation. I feel the same about people cutting boys' genitalia. If adults want to undergo genital cutting, then that's fine, but people shouldn't be doing this to children.

You might be interested to hear that in 2010 the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommended that U.S. doctors be allowed to perform a ceremonial pin prick of the clitoris of baby girls: Group Backs Ritual

The reason for the proposal: the AAP hoped that allowing doctors to prick the clitoris of baby girls, leading to bleeding, would pacify and prevent parents from sending the girls overseas where they'd be subjected to far worse.

The resulting outcry forced the AAP to rescind their recommendation. Any type of female genital mutilation has been illegal in the U.S. since 1996.

Unfortunately, not so many voices are raised to protect little boys from genital cutting. I am amazed how many medical professionals are willing to violate the "Do No Harm" dictum.
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Old 10-02-2011, 05:41 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Really, they impose a full ban on female but don't even limit male? That seems a bit odd. It's obvious that even though male circumcision has many issues it's still not as harmful, but I fully agree that it shouldn't ever, ever be performed on young boys unless there's an emergency that calls for it and nothing else.

Just to add the closest I have to personal experience, I know a boy who was circumcised just a couple of weeks ago. I didn't pry in to why (I'm amazed he even told me really) but I think it was something medical. If it wasn't, he was sixteen so capable of making a decision himself.
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The whole "it looks better" arguement is bullshit. A cock is a fucking cock.
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Old 10-02-2011, 07:10 PM   #76 (permalink)
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The whole "it looks better" arguement is bullshit. A cock is a fucking cock.
It's also subjective. I think uncut looks better
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Old 10-02-2011, 07:12 PM   #77 (permalink)
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The whole "it looks better" arguement is bullshit. A cock is a fucking cock.
but some are prettier than others.
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:16 PM   #78 (permalink)
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The whole 'better health' issue is a load of cobblers. A huge percentage of men in the U.K are not circumcised and that is what nature has given us so you work with that and don't alter it until you feel that it IS an issue.

STD percentages have not really used this argument as a case for or against cleanliness at least not over here.

An uncut penis does look more attractive visually yet a lot of sensitivity seems to be lost when uncut and may lead to desensitisation of the glans.

Having foreskin does lend itself very well to friction and extra stimulus regarding opposite forces when having intercourse and even the most lazy of the male species WILL keep himself clean both for physical and aesthetic reasons.

Circumcision has it's benefits but for frig's sake, let your kid's decide what they want to do with their bodies.

Enforcing any sort of will upon children is a detriment 9 times out of ten and performing surgery unnecessarily to appeal to your own sensibility is selfish and ignorant.

By all means support your children and guide them in future choices but to take away a body part (no matter how insignificant at the time) in order to appease a religion or doctrine is going against everything that a parent should aspire to.
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:45 PM   #79 (permalink)
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i'm a cock fashionista
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Old 10-02-2011, 11:27 PM   #80 (permalink)
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