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Old 09-01-2012, 07:41 AM   #501 (permalink)
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For me, "God" is the highest level of consciousness that is capable of being achieved. I believe that the energy of everything and everyone in the universe is connected. Souls are created from this energy and choose an incarnation to take. Each incarnation teaches them lessons, thus raising their consciousness. When your incarnation dies, your soul goes back into the energy of the universe where you choose another incarnation. As you grow in consciousness, the more incarnations are available for you to choose, as the higher one vibrate at higher frequencies and the lower frequency incarnations cannot discern them. Our goal is to attain "God consciousness." Not sure what happens once we do, as very few ever have. So in essence, anything and everything has the ability to be "God."


If this is your idea of god, then what do you think about the creation of the world?
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Old 09-01-2012, 07:49 AM   #502 (permalink)
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1. Murder and rape (in that order) a family of 6? God forgives you. Now you can pawn off the moral implications of your actions, and what kind of a person you are, on a loving god who has washed away your sins. When you finish your sentence and are free, and do it again, then you can simply say you "backslid"! (or the devil made you do it)
Moral, ethical and humanitarian implications be damned!

2. God has the power to make himself so drunk, that even he can't manage to find his way home. Obviously.
But the point is that if you've "backslid" you've not repented at all, you're still as bad as you were. Supposing, on the other hand, that ever since you committed the crime you were completely overcome with remorse, and "not a day went by where you wished you could change what you did". That's when God would forgive you. If you say that God forgives you as soon as you SAY you're sorry or a Christian, you're basically creating a straw man - IF God really were like this then his morality would be preposterous. He's be like a parent who believes every lie his evil children tell him.
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Old 09-01-2012, 08:30 AM   #503 (permalink)
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But the point is that if you've "backslid" you've not repented at all, you're still as bad as you were. Supposing, on the other hand, that ever since you committed the crime you were completely overcome with remorse, and "not a day went by where you wished you could change what you did". That's when God would forgive you. If you say that God forgives you as soon as you SAY you're sorry or a Christian, you're basically creating a straw man - IF God really were like this then his morality would be preposterous. He's be like a parent who believes every lie his evil children tell him.
inversely, i believe in a God who doesn't give a rat's ass

and a Jesus who is only guide for my consciousness
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:22 AM   #504 (permalink)
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If this is your idea of god, then what do you think about the creation of the world?
No clue to be honest, your guess is as good as mine. The Big Bang Theory seems to be the most plausible, but as to what caused it? Who knows? I like to think the Big Bang was caused from the energy of a black hole in another universe being transferred into a white hole in our universe. Sort of like the end of one is the beginning of another, in an infinite cycle that always has been, possibly having no start or finish, as time is a concept we invented.
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:07 AM   #505 (permalink)
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It really is mind boggling. How could something have no end or beginning? It doesn't seem possible. Say we were able to make an aircraft that could fly on a straight line all the way through space for an infinite amount of time, and we were able to track this craft as long possible, would it ever reach an end (Except for being destroyed)? Or would it just continue to sail through for an infinite amount of time? Thats probably what would happen.

But it seems to me that the universe had to come from somewhere, it had to have a beginning.

On a side note, oojay, what are your thoughts on life after death?
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:57 AM   #506 (permalink)
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It really is mind boggling. How could something have no end or beginning? It doesn't seem possible. Say we were able to make an aircraft that could fly on a straight line all the way through space for an infinite amount of time, and we were able to track this craft as long possible, would it ever reach an end (Except for being destroyed)? Or would it just continue to sail through for an infinite amount of time? Thats probably what would happen.

But it seems to me that the universe had to come from somewhere, it had to have a beginning.

On a side note, oojay, what are your thoughts on life after death?
It wouldn't be an "aircraft" because there is no air in space, it should properly be called a "spacecraft."
Albert Einstein said we would arrive at our point of departure. There are no straight lines in nature. A straight line is a geometrical abstract. end of line.
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It really is mind boggling. How could something have no end or beginning? It doesn't seem possible. Say we were able to make an aircraft that could fly on a straight line all the way through space for an infinite amount of time, and we were able to track this craft as long possible, would it ever reach an end (Except for being destroyed)? Or would it just continue to sail through for an infinite amount of time? Thats probably what would happen.

But it seems to me that the universe had to come from somewhere, it had to have a beginning.

On a side note, oojay, what are your thoughts on life after death?
Again, I don't know how something can just "BE" without a beginning, nor an end. No one knows. The way the physicists postulate it is that our galaxy is in a finite space-time-continuum. All the matter that we have to work with is confided within our "space-time". It's like a fabric. It holds everything together. If a craft were to venture out as you have posited (we'll humor ourselves as to the details), space-time would eventually make it disappear into oblivion (in relation to everyone else, remember, everything is relative). The further out from the origin of the universe that one goes, the less the density. Gravity accumulates the majority of the mass of the universe towards the center, therefore the rest of the universe has a very low density. With a less dense fabric of space-time, we would either eventually cease to exist once we run out of space-time to fly in (as there is no place for us to exist once we get outside of the space-time-continuum) OR we shimmy our way into the fabric of a DIFFERENT space-time-continuum, if you are a believer in the multiverse theory. I like to think of the universe as a cousin to the Mobius Strip, with no start and no finish. We just get dropped somewhere on it and do our best to toe the line for the rest of civilization, forever and ever. There's really no way to know. Like the Big Bang. It caused our universe to form, but what caused the Big Bang? And what cause the thing which caused that? Ad infinitum. It just keeps going. Who knows.


As for the afterlife? I like to think that our souls are born from the matter of the universe (or maybe even somewhere higher?), and we strive to gain consciousness through acquisition of knowledge and the doing of good deeds. We do so by choosing an incarnation (body with which to get born into) in order to help us achieve these goals. We go through several life and death cycles of these incarnations. In each journey, we learn lessons that raise our consciousness (awareness). Our goal is to achieve GOD CONSCIOUSNESS, being aware of everything in the universe, and being one with everything .
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:03 PM   #508 (permalink)
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It wouldn't be an "aircraft" because there is no air in space, it should properly be called a "spacecraft."
Albert Einstein said we would arrive at our point of departure. There are no straight lines in nature. A straight line is a geometrical abstract. end of line.
Cmon, man. No need to pick apart the false pieces of my comment, what I was saying was already impossible to begin with


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Again, I don't know how something can just "BE" without a beginning, nor an end. No one knows. The way the physicists postulate it is that our galaxy is in a finite space-time-continuum. All the matter that we have to work with is confided within our "space-time". It's like a fabric. It holds everything together. If a craft were to venture out as you have posited (we'll humor ourselves as to the details), space-time would eventually make it disappear into oblivion (in relation to everyone else, remember, everything is relative). The further out from the origin of the universe that one goes, the less the density. Gravity accumulates the majority of the mass of the universe towards the center, therefore the rest of the universe has a very low density. With a less dense fabric of space-time, we would either eventually cease to exist once we run out of space-time to fly in (as there is no place for us to exist once we get outside of the space-time-continuum) OR we shimmy our way into the fabric of a DIFFERENT space-time-continuum, if you are a believer in the multiverse theory. I like to think of the universe as a cousin to the Mobius Strip, with no start and no finish. We just get dropped somewhere on it and do our best to toe the line for the rest of civilization, forever and ever. There's really no way to know. Like the Big Bang. It caused our universe to form, but what caused the Big Bang? And what cause the thing which caused that? Ad infinitum. It just keeps going. Who knows.


As for the afterlife? I like to think that our souls are born from the matter of the universe (or maybe even somewhere higher?), and we strive to gain consciousness through acquisition of knowledge and the doing of good deeds. We do so by choosing an incarnation (body with which to get born into) in order to help us achieve these goals. We go through several life and death cycles of these incarnations. In each journey, we learn lessons that raise our consciousness (awareness). Our goal is to achieve GOD CONSCIOUSNESS, being aware of everything in the universe, and being one with everything .

It seems like all that reaches into a realm of possibility that is beyond our understanding. Would you say that there is a limit to the human beings knowledge and understanding? It's a lot to take in.

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It seems like all that reaches into a realm of possibility that is beyond our understanding. Would you say that there is a limit to the human beings knowledge and understanding? It's a lot to take in.
I think our understanding as a human being is only limited by our will to learn and the time that we are alive.
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I believe that if you set out on a path of understanding, if that first step is in the wrong direction, you could be just moving further away from the truth the further you go and the deeper you think your understanding becomes.

I know I am coming from an entirely different school of thought than Oojay and blastingas here, but I think that before you can really pretend to understand the universe, you have to start with the basics, for example by trying to answer questions like : How can we understand something? How can you know something to be true? Answering the basic questions may help you take that first step on the path to understanding in the right direction.
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