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Old 11-22-2012, 07:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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If I do what?
Jump into your mind and make peace with everything that pissed you off until when you think about it, till it doesn't stir you up on the inside. A calm and peaceful heart is what everyone wants. When you have a negative emotion you feel it in your heart, the stress and tension so you have to use logic to guide you to feel good, to feel love and appreciation. Knowing right and wrong is what keeps us angry. If you think about it the only thing we know for sure, without a shadow of a doubt is what makes us feel good or bad. When you choose to see just the good in everything it will change your physiology and body chemistry for the good. And if you do that you will start to see little things in your life change for the good, things that used to go wrong for you all the time will start going right like magic. This is what the bible truely preaches and religion has distorted the message by not paying attention to how they feel inside, they use God word to justify pointing the finger and making others wrong. How you feel on the inside is our guidance and that is what you need to live by. Everyone want to know for sure if there is a God but they don't want to do what it takes to find out. Like Jesus said " do what I say and then you will know if I came from God" God also said in the texts that if you diligently seek me you will find me" which also implies if you don't diligently seek you won't find, and God is love and that is felt on the inside, but to obtain "Christ consciousness" you have do let go of right and wrong and choose to love everything. Stress kills and it is felt in your heart and negative emotion is stress, we were made to love and appreciate cause when we are feeling those emotions our body is at ease. They have also found out that when we are feeling negative emotion our actual DNA strands twist and coil up and when you feel good emotion it relaxes so neg emotion effects every cell on our body for the worse and positive emotion effects every cell for the good, I believe this shows us we are made by our creator to love, we are made in his image and share the same mind as the creator, the spirit of God is inside everyone, the spirit of love. So if anyone wants to find out once and for all you have to make a life decision to choose to love everything that makes you feel negative emotion and belive me if you do there will be an epic battle in your mind, which is what the bible calls the battle of Armageddon, and the "end of the world" that the bible speaks of is when you go thru that battle for love and what is going on in the outside world doesn't effect you on the inside anymore, what others do can't effect how you feel anymore and you will see a whole new world like you were looking thru the eyes of a child. If you choose to hate your mind will give you more reasons and the feeling will grow, if you choose to love your mind will give you more reasons and that feeling will grow. So what you focus on will grow like a seed. Just a warning if your heart insnt in it and you are just going thru the motions not to much will happen, you have to have a true desire to find love and feel good. You have to be hungry for it. Once you figure out how your mind works you will be addicted once you realize the thoughts you choose to think dictate how you feel. No matter what the subject is there is a way to look at it where you can be at peace. You just got to let go of right and wrong and let your heart be your guide. If it doesn't feel good, quit doing it or thinking it, simple!
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Also to janszoon..... I saw that you are a web designer. I am a musician/songwriter and I was wondering if you could give me a price on developing a website to sell my music, thanks
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I promise if you do it you will feel a profound change on the inside
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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^It's a good argument in that debating against everything that is wrong with is way too much of an effort for most.
I think you mean "It's a good tatic..." unless you agree with everything he said and you do believe "It's a good argument" and if that is the case how are you leaning towards theism now?
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I think you mean "It's a good tatic..."
You're right, I did. Thanks for picking my nit, you nitpick.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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You're right, I did. Thanks for picking my nit, you nitpick.
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Good posts, seekn4. It takes some guts to support "god" and question science on this website, but being new, you had no idea.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Good posts, seekn4. It takes some guts to support "god" and question science on this website, but being new, you had no idea.
Thanks bro, but I'm not questioning science, I'm confirming it, there is new science which proves that this universe responds to our individual desires and our heart is the electromagnetic generator which communicates with the "the field/matrix/God/universe" whatever you wish to call it. The old science says no God, the new science says yes. If you seek it you will find it, the people that dismiss quantum physics don't understand it, it proves that the universe responds to our desires. In the scriptures it is said God will give you the desires of your heart. The way I see it science is finally catching up to faith. Our heart gives out 5000 times more electromagnetic frequency/energy than our mind/thought
Here is what I got to say to people that don't believe in faith, everybody believes in faith! Unless you yourself performed the experiment for which you believe you are excercising faith.

The science to prove God is there and the science to prove there is no God is there, we have free will to believe or not.

Maybe all we have to do is find out who we are and what we are capable of.
For anyone who wants to expand their mind do some research on "the institute of heart math" they have done many experiments trying to find out who we are. This will get you started. They have also found out that our mind doesn't store info, it is an antenna/transmitter, that communicates with what science calls the field and I call God
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I will try and comment briefly on some of seekn4's posts here

Seekn4, I doubt that what you've read is Science because Science has never confirmed the existence of God or proven that you can change matter with desire alone. If you have any sources to back up your claims, please post them and I will have a good look. Regarding your love experiment, trying to change the way you feel, any "results" you would gain from your "experiment" would be entirely anecdotal and using such personal experiences as compelling advice is generally considered a logical fallacy.

Furthermore, you write stuff like this :

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I belive the scientific method is flawed by even having a hypothesis you should have no opinion until the experiment is done, cause people will tend to prove themselves right over finding the truth.
This is a strawman argument (another logical fallacy) because scientific experimentation does not deal with one hypothesis. That's a misrepresentation of Science that you've made up. At the very least there are two, a null hypothesis and an alternative hypothesis. The two are typically opposing so that evidence for one means evidence against the other. The reason you have two hypotheses is to minimize bias and to minimize the risk of statistically proving something which is untrue.

So, I'm afraid it is apparent that you are not wise in the ways of scientific methodology.


You also write that we are made to love. How can you say that? Consider this : A person is capable of feeling love which motivates him or her to treat someone with care, share positive feelings and so on. But a person is also capable of feeling hatred which could motivate him or her to abuse, be violent to or even kill another person. As we're capable of both, how can you be so sure we were made to love and not to hate?

I'm just asking because I'd like to see your reasoning. I myself am quite sure that we were not made to do anything, but that we have evolved our feelings. Thus, they are a natural part of us and only allowing yourself a to feel a limited aspect of emotions (only love or other positive feelings) is not something I think of as typically honest nor particularly healthy.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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IFirst of all God is exactly what quantum physics is proving. You must not understand what quantum physics is cause if you "think" you know what is is, you dont. Understanding it doesn't come from watching a video, or listening to a lecture, you know what it means when after countless hours of meditation on the subject and your mind puts it together and it "clicks" or you have a revelation. Words don't teach, only life experience teaches. Maybe you should google Fred Allen wolf, he understands it, to truely understand it you have to practice it in your own life to know anything for sure.

Come on tore do you need a scientific consensus to know what feels good, And I know we are made to love and appreciate because those are the best feelings our body can produce, they feel the best, and I'm don't need to wait for a study to come out to confirm it, I do my own research and trust in myself. Yes this is a universe of free will you can choose to love or hate. And our bodies were designed to function at their best when feeling positive emotion. Do your own experiment, focus your mind on everything that pisses you off and if you dwell in the emotion for too long you will get sick, try it, it works everytime without fail, and then u know that for sure you will know what we were created to do. I do my own Experiments so the is no doubt. Emotions are our guidance. And yes anger can feel good, it feels better than dispare so it can fool you but if you keep moving higher on the emotional scale, love and appreciation blows the doors off of anger. The knowledge I seek is found on the inside, the knowledge u seek is on the outside and they will never agree, the only way we will ever agree is if you try and practice feeling good, study yourself and see how your body reacts and how the world treats you has a direct correlation to your emotional state. Knowing comes from seeing for yourself. You ever notice when you are angry nothing goes right, like magic! I seek knowledge that brings me peace and happiness that satisfies the soul. I know the world's interpretation of Christianity is severely flawed, so study on the philosophy of Buddhism they are closer to true Christians than most Christians, a Buddhist monk will go into isolation for 3 yrs 3 months and 3 days and explore the mind (go into the darkness) and weed out all of their negative emotion, and yes it takes that long, it took me longer. There are Buddhists that have meditated for a year with no food or water and didn't urinate or ****, another one hasn't eaten or drank for 50 years, scientists had him in observation for 9 days and he didn't eat drink, piss or ****, in your world of science that is not possible, yet it happens, so maybe you need to open your mind to the possibility that you just don't understand everything and the individual beliefs that each one of us holds dictates the outcome of our lives. If your cup of knowledge is full there is no room to add anything new. If you want to find out if what I say is true or not you first have to be open to the possibility that it could be or you mind wont allow you to learn anything new on the subject, and you will have no desire to figure it out, once you figure out your mind you will not look for answers anywhere else. It takes humility to learn. Obviously you already have your mind made up on what you believe is real, so why do you feel the need to argue, because I know where u r comming from I used to live in your world, until I found a better one where everything makes sense, with wisdom which brings peace to my soul, the knowledge you preach will change over time like all science, but the knowledge I preach doesn't change over time and is the same for every human, positive emotions make you feel good, and neg emotions don't, and your emotional state is directly tied to the thoughts you choose to think and how you choose to see everything, what I speak of makes you feel good, and there is no contradiction or speculation to that, there is no denying it, it is fact and indisputable.

Quantum physics is just confirming what has been written in spiritual texts that have been around for thousands of years. And written all over the world, a timeless knowledge!

There is a woman that had stage 4 cancer and refused radiation, doctors have her days to live, and had a metaphysical experience, came out of it and in 4 days her cancer was gone, her name if I can remember correctly is Anita Moorjani, and she wrote a book "dying to be me" she also has interviews on u tube. Her experience shows us that there is more than meets the eye in this world. And science doesn't have it all figured out.

Just a question tore, if the knowledge if science in constantly evolving how come your mind seems to already be made up, about everything! It must be exhausting
I used to think just like you, until I was tired of the contradictions.

The mind is the last frontier.

Why not figure out how to live the lives we all dreamed about when we were young, and how to live in peace with the world and how to get what we truely desire.

This is a music forum so I will say this, lyrics to music is saying the same message I bring, love!
Have you really listened to music, just an example: "say your prayers little one, don't forget my son to include everyone, tuck you in, warm within keep you free from sin". These are the opening words to Enter sandman by metallica, sounds like they are talking about Jesus and forgiveness don't it, and sin being negative emotion, namely anger. When the bible talks about sin it means negative emotion.
I implore all who read this to do some mind opening research and with an open mind go to u tube and check out the " what the bleep do we know/down the rabbit hole" series, Gregg Braden, Bruce Lipton, law of attraction, abraham-hicks, just to name a few and don't come to any conclusions until you have heard it all and practice it, and then you will know what spirituality and quantum physics are saying.

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