God is in your mind?

seekn4 · 03-05-2012, 12:29 PM

Tore I really don't wish to discuss this any more, wikapedia is old, there is ground breaking new research being done today that won't be on wikapedia for another decade or two. So please drop it.

**Janszoon** · 03-05-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by seekn4

Tore I really don't wish to discuss this any more, wikapedia is old, there is ground breaking new research being done today that won't be on wikapedia for another decade or two. So please drop it.

If you want the subject dropped, stop talking about it.

Guybrush · 03-05-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by seekn4

Tore I really don't wish to discuss this any more, wikapedia is old, there is ground breaking new research being done today that won't be on wikapedia for another decade or two. So please drop it.

I'm here to discuss and I'm not gonna bite my tongue if I see a claim I don't agree with just because you ask me to.

As far as I can tell, my post regarding the quark was respectful and to the point. If you can't take even that, then you're the one who should drop it.

blastingas10 · 03-05-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Salami

Please bear in mind my family is very strictly religious and I've been brought up in a pretty oppressive fashion when it comes to this area. It's really only when I started reading a lot about evolution that I started to disagree with what I'd been taught, because it just didn't make sense when the evidence was examined.
All I would say is that religion is blamed for a lot of the despicable acts committed in the world, but if you look at the messages they preach, all of them encourage peace towards each other, yet in the name of religion a lot of evil has been committed. I would be suspicious of saying that religion is necessarily the direct cause of the evil, though.

I really don't want to get into an argument about this, because I'll be rushed by the weight of numbers of people who disagree, and I won't have any chance of winning anyway.

I agree. People put too much blame on religion. It's not religion that is the problem, it's people that is the problem. It's not religions fault that some people go way overboard and get too extreme, not all religious people are like that. I have a problem with the movie "Religulous". It takes the stupidest, most extreme religious freaks as examples, and says: "Look at how stupid religion has made these people". Like I said, it's not religions fault. There are a lot of really good people out there that are religious.

Also, before you bash religion, you might want to think about the role it played in the evolution of civilization.

It's been theorized that farming led to the development of cities and religion, but since the discovery of Göbekli Tepe, that theory is beginning to change. Göbekli Tepe pre-dates any known human settlement, which brings about the theory that people first came together to worship, and then farming was developed. So, you can bash religion and say it does no good, but it had a lot to do with our development.

skaltezon · 03-05-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Salami

All I would say is that religion is blamed for a lot of the despicable acts committed in the world, but if you look at the messages they preach, all of them encourage peace towards each other, yet in the name of religion a lot of evil has been committed. I would be suspicious of saying that religion is necessarily the direct cause of the evil, though.

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

People put too much blame on religion. It's not religion that is the problem, it's people that is the problem. It's not religions fault that some people go way overboard and get too extreme, not all religious people are like that. I have a problem with the movie "Religulous". It takes the stupidest, most extreme religious freaks as examples, and says: "Look at how stupid religion has made these people". Like I said, it's not religions fault. There are a lot of really good people out there that are religious.

Many people think that being non-religious gives them some special, super-logical insight, with the result that they're unable to question their own conclusions or to accept anyone else's to a greater degree than the people they're criticizing. It's like, we can discuss this, but you have to play by my rules. And so threads like this are usually pretty painful to follow unless you like bashing people who disagree with you and rewarding people who don't.

**Janszoon** · 03-05-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by skaltezon

Many people think that being non-religious gives them some special, super-logical insight, with the result that they're unable to question their own conclusions or to accept anyone else's to a greater degree than the people they're criticizing. It's like, we can discuss this, but you have to play by my rules. And so threads like this are usually pretty painful to follow unless you like bashing people who disagree with you and rewarding people who don't.

I would say you're just as likely to run into that attitude from the religious as the non-religious.

seekn4 · 03-05-2012, 04:14 PM

Evil isn't something in the world we have to fight, its a feeling inside that we have to make right---quote by me
To anyone who believes there is a god, instead of relying on any religions interpretion of what god is saying y not see for yourself. I believed that god did exist but something felt off with all religions, so I said to my self god if u r there and inside all of us like u say then I am going to figure this out all on my own so I quit my job and with nothing but me and a bible I spent 3 years in recluse doing nothing but figuring it out, studying and meditating, and got a completely different story than what I have ever heard. It is about love for yourself and others, and the only evil we see in this world as individuals, is nothing but a reflection of ourselves, like we heard since we were kids, "takes one to know one". It is about finding a piece of yourself in everything u hate, and forgive, cause everything in life is just, and all bad things that happened to his is because we were putting out hate from the inside. The true nature of forgiveness isn't pardoning a sin and making it real, it is seeing that there was no sin in the first place. Cause we created it all. If there is a situation in our lives that pisses us off, it will keep happening until we make peace with it and forgive. Just call something wrong and pay attention to how it makes u feel on the inside, its not a good feeling, calling something wrong is making a judgement, hence judge not lest Ye be judged, there are some things that we don't want to know, like right and wrong, all we do know for sure is if we feel good or not, it feels good inside to praise(look for the good in) something and it feels bad inside to criticize something. Your heart is your guide, emotions r felt in the heart. So we need to realize what we have been taught is right and wrong needs to be disregarded, and pay attention to how we feel, love your enemys, cause they aren't your enemies, they r u. If u feel anger that is god saying u r wrong, u know that cause it doesn't feel good, so shut off your brains and listen to your hearts and your lives will change dramatically for the good, god wrote his laws in everyone's heart, we r born with it, so when it comes to what is going on outside of our bodies we need to have no opinion, we r all guilty of the same things, it is a out forgiving and not carrying anger no more. We all reap what we sow, so don't hate the messenger, and realize if somebody wrongs us we deserved it.

blastingas10 · 03-05-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I would say you're just as likely to run into that attitude from the religious as the non-religious.

True. But I think some atheists fail to realize they have the same mentality as some religious people whom they despise.

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Originally Posted by seekn4

Evil isn't something in the world we have to fight, its a feeling inside that we have to make right---quote by me

True.

seekn4 · 03-05-2012, 04:59 PM

To tore, I just want to say that is do have love for u and everyone else on this planet for that matter, we all want the same things, happyness, abundance and freedom, and that is what I wish for everybody, but if we want those things we have to find it ourselves, and call nothing truth until it brings peace to your souls, cause if it doesn't bring peace it isn't the truth. Just so everyone knows the same info is in the Koran, the Chinese Tao de Cheng, vedic texts Buddhism, and all holy books, all have the same info, same god, just called by different names, and the name of that god is LOVE, and we are created in gods image, beings of love, love feels good, anger doesn't, so listen to the god within yourselves and nothing else, and make it your mission in life to feel love for everything u dispise. Do that and then u will know for sure if god is real. Like Jesus said "do what I say and then u will know if I come from god"

**Janszoon** · 03-05-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

True. But I think some atheists fail to realize they have the same mentality as some religious people whom they despise.

Why did you jump from "non-religious" to "atheist"? And why do you assume atheists "despise" religious people?

03-05-2012, 04:14 PM	#277 (permalink)
seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	ponder this Evil isn't something in the world we have to fight, its a feeling inside that we have to make right---quote by me To anyone who believes there is a god, instead of relying on any religions interpretion of what god is saying y not see for yourself. I believed that god did exist but something felt off with all religions, so I said to my self god if u r there and inside all of us like u say then I am going to figure this out all on my own so I quit my job and with nothing but me and a bible I spent 3 years in recluse doing nothing but figuring it out, studying and meditating, and got a completely different story than what I have ever heard. It is about love for yourself and others, and the only evil we see in this world as individuals, is nothing but a reflection of ourselves, like we heard since we were kids, "takes one to know one". It is about finding a piece of yourself in everything u hate, and forgive, cause everything in life is just, and all bad things that happened to his is because we were putting out hate from the inside. The true nature of forgiveness isn't pardoning a sin and making it real, it is seeing that there was no sin in the first place. Cause we created it all. If there is a situation in our lives that pisses us off, it will keep happening until we make peace with it and forgive. Just call something wrong and pay attention to how it makes u feel on the inside, its not a good feeling, calling something wrong is making a judgement, hence judge not lest Ye be judged, there are some things that we don't want to know, like right and wrong, all we do know for sure is if we feel good or not, it feels good inside to praise(look for the good in) something and it feels bad inside to criticize something. Your heart is your guide, emotions r felt in the heart. So we need to realize what we have been taught is right and wrong needs to be disregarded, and pay attention to how we feel, love your enemys, cause they aren't your enemies, they r u. If u feel anger that is god saying u r wrong, u know that cause it doesn't feel good, so shut off your brains and listen to your hearts and your lives will change dramatically for the good, god wrote his laws in everyone's heart, we r born with it, so when it comes to what is going on outside of our bodies we need to have no opinion, we r all guilty of the same things, it is a out forgiving and not carrying anger no more. We all reap what we sow, so don't hate the messenger, and realize if somebody wrongs us we deserved it. Last edited by seekn4; 03-05-2012 at 04:49 PM. Reason: edit

03-05-2012, 04:59 PM	#279 (permalink)
seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	To tore, I just want to say that is do have love for u and everyone else on this planet for that matter, we all want the same things, happyness, abundance and freedom, and that is what I wish for everybody, but if we want those things we have to find it ourselves, and call nothing truth until it brings peace to your souls, cause if it doesn't bring peace it isn't the truth. Just so everyone knows the same info is in the Koran, the Chinese Tao de Cheng, vedic texts Buddhism, and all holy books, all have the same info, same god, just called by different names, and the name of that god is LOVE, and we are created in gods image, beings of love, love feels good, anger doesn't, so listen to the god within yourselves and nothing else, and make it your mission in life to feel love for everything u dispise. Do that and then u will know for sure if god is real. Like Jesus said "do what I say and then u will know if I come from god" Last edited by seekn4; 03-05-2012 at 05:15 PM.

03-05-2012, 12:29 PM	#271 (permalink)
seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	Tore I really don't wish to discuss this any more, wikapedia is old, there is ground breaking new research being done today that won't be on wikapedia for another decade or two. So please drop it.