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blastingas10 · 01-12-2012, 03:00 PM

The 2012 NDAA.

TheBig3 · 01-12-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

The 2012 NDAA.

Thats fair, I suppose. I don't know on what planet that made sense to the POTUS. But they probably aren't coming after you.

blastingas10 · 01-12-2012, 03:11 PM

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Thats fair, I suppose. I don't know on what planet that made sense to the POTUS. But they probably aren't coming after you.

It's just troubling to me. How they can take away an Americans right to a fair trial. Do they even outline what makes you a suspected "terrorist"? Or it's just if for any reason they suspect you of being a terrorist, they can detain you without charge or trial.

TheBig3 · 01-12-2012, 05:04 PM

Well this isn't the first time they've suspended habeas corpus. And this all came up because the GOP had a fit about Obama sending his attack drones on an American Born terrorist in...Yemen maybe?

blastingas10 · 01-12-2012, 06:05 PM

I can see people like the occupy wallstreet protesters being labeled as terrorist. And anyone who protests the government will arrested.

**Janszoon** · 01-12-2012, 08:08 PM

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It's just troubling to me. How they can take away an Americans right to a fair trial. Do they even outline what makes you a suspected "terrorist"? Or it's just if for any reason they suspect you of being a terrorist, they can detain you without charge or trial.

Yes, it's absolute bullshit, I agree. Doesn't have much of a connection to state's rights though.

blastingas10 · 01-12-2012, 08:33 PM

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Yes, it's absolute bullshit, I agree. Doesn't have much of a connection to state's rights though.

No. This is why I said it.

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How much power does the Federal Government have? How many freedoms have they taken away?

The only think I can recall in recent memory is the Patriot Act, and coming down the line, SOPA which is slated to die a horrible death, and its sponsors are now being primaried by right and left wing bloggers.

My question though is what are you being deprived?

skaltezon · 01-12-2012, 09:31 PM

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I am amazed at how diametrically opposed my views are from those of Rick Perry, who appears in this TV ad to want the U.S. to be a Christian theocracy in which schools are extensions of churches (more so than they already are), and people in same-sex relationships are treated as atrocities too horrible to be recognized as deserving of equal rights.

I missed the part about horrible atrocities not deserving equal rights. But clowns like Perry don't usually write their own material or even express their own ideas. Isn't he the one who wanted to eliminate three federal agencies and couldn't remember them all? It's hard to get upset at a man who can't even remember the lines he's given to recite.

blastingas10 · 01-12-2012, 10:10 PM

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Guybrush · 01-16-2012, 07:02 AM

I think americans need to realize that stuff like a public health care system is not a quick fix. It would take many years to get that right and I believe that sort of stuff is what the US needs. It seems that by the political standards of many U.S. citizens, european countries that are generally better off as basically communist. What we think of as a sort of middle road seems to be regarded as a political extreme in the US.

Less power to the government will mean a government even less able to do stuff like offer a proper public education or health care to those who can't afford it. Because of such problems, people again have less faith in the governments ability to do anything. It's a negative circle which should be reversed, a process which by American democracy would likely take a long time to do.

Your society of winners and losers is not freedom. Someone who's life starts out in a drug and crime ridden ghetto without proper health care does not have the same chances to succeed in life that the well-off do who can send their kids to private schools. When the cream of society is only available to a minority, that means you have an oppressive class system.

If you want freedom, people should have equal opportunities of f.ex becoming a doctor or a biologist and that means stuff like proper education and health care should be equally available to all. The further away you get from that, the more crappy society gets.

In the end, people should vote for everyone and not just themselves. After all, if you vote for a better society, you're part of that society. Your kids likely will be too.

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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Well this isn't the first time they've suspended habeas corpus. And this all came up because the GOP had a fit about Obama sending his attack drones on an American Born terrorist in...Yemen maybe? __________________ I've moved to a new address

01-16-2012, 07:02 AM	#110 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I think americans need to realize that stuff like a public health care system is not a quick fix. It would take many years to get that right and I believe that sort of stuff is what the US needs. It seems that by the political standards of many U.S. citizens, european countries that are generally better off as basically communist. What we think of as a sort of middle road seems to be regarded as a political extreme in the US. Less power to the government will mean a government even less able to do stuff like offer a proper public education or health care to those who can't afford it. Because of such problems, people again have less faith in the governments ability to do anything. It's a negative circle which should be reversed, a process which by American democracy would likely take a long time to do. Your society of winners and losers is not freedom. Someone who's life starts out in a drug and crime ridden ghetto without proper health care does not have the same chances to succeed in life that the well-off do who can send their kids to private schools. When the cream of society is only available to a minority, that means you have an oppressive class system. If you want freedom, people should have equal opportunities of f.ex becoming a doctor or a biologist and that means stuff like proper education and health care should be equally available to all. The further away you get from that, the more crappy society gets. In the end, people should vote for everyone and not just themselves. After all, if you vote for a better society, you're part of that society. Your kids likely will be too. __________________ Something Completely Different

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blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	The 2012 NDAA.

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blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I can see people like the occupy wallstreet protesters being labeled as terrorist. And anyone who protests the government will arrested.

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