Kony 2012

mr dave · 03-10-2012, 08:16 AM

Effective propaganda is effective.

People need to learn to think critically. Your menstruating heart - it can't bleed enough for two.

GuitarBizarre · 03-10-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

I'm glad to see a thread on this, as it's a movement I'm becoming quite passionate about. I've read probably over a hundred articles in the time since the video was posted, both in criticism and defense of Invisible Children. I always read things critically (and I've been encouraging everyone I've had conversations with to do the same), and when looking at both sides of the arguments at hand I've come to the conclusion that it's something I personally want to get behind. Absolutely, 100%.

As the author said in one article I read earlier today, whenever there's something that goes viral like this and something that a large percentage of the population eagerly gets behind, there will always be an equally large amount of people just waiting to shit all over it. No matter who is right in any given case, there will always be people waiting for their chance to burst someones proverbial bubble.

I waited to donate money until after I had done research about the finances of Invisible Children and despite the criticism against them I felt that they are using their funds in much the same way that I would. I'm a poor college student, and I'm not about to give my money away to anything I find to be remotely sketchy.

I feel like a lot of people are getting caught up in aspects of the video that are not necessarily relating to the bigger picture. Much of the criticism toward IC relates to the fact that the war is not in Uganda, but I felt that the video made that pretty clear... the point was not to raise awareness about a war in Uganda, it's about keeping people interested in Kony and the LRA so that the efforts made so far in regards to Kony's arrest are not revoked or withdrawn. The military advisers from the US that are currently in Central Africa will be pulled out if the issue does not remain a prominent thing to both the powers at be and, consequently, to the public. IC has been trying to get the US government to commission military aid for nearly a decade now, if the window closes and Kony is not arrested this year than a lot of their efforts will have gone to waste.

I think the video was great in that it reminds the general public that there are important things to care about, and no matter how hokey or overly-sentimental it may be, I think it's reminding young people that they have a voice and that they should use it. That being said, I certainly have my own criticisms of the movement and my own list of annoyances in regards to IC and the video itself, but in my opinion it's more important to have this incredible spark of interest in activism, whether it's used in regards to the Kony 2012 campaign or elsewhere.

I would love to talk more to people who are interested or curious about this, either publicly or through PM.

1 - IC support the Ugandan Military, not the ugandan people.
2 - Kony has been on the run since 2006
3 - Obama increased US military aid in 2008 already, long before this video was released.
4 - There are plenty of warlords in africa who will step in to fill the void kony will leave.

The solution to africa's problems isn't to continuously raise awareness of individual issues, its to continuously raise awareness of the fact that Africa is a continent that is largely ****ed from top to bottom. The countries there have corrupt regimes, the people there are poor and under-educated, and the are plenty of very bad people with an awful lot of local power, if not global power.

Stopping Kony won't solve anything, and IC's campaign is very likely to make things much worse. The campaign is reckless and steps need to be taken in more ways than creating a figurehead for hatred and encouraging further violence.

As far as I'm concerned, the best thing we can do for africa is wait and help in smaller, more measured ways. Especially since the warlords that run large portions of africa have enough raw man(child)power to seriously damage any attempt at large scale international intervention. The technological and tactical superiority of an army can't and doesn't compensate entirely for the fact you're facing an enemy that massively outnumbers you. Sure, you'll hit them harder than they can hit you, but they're GOING to get their shots in before you manage to beat them down entirely.

Paedantic Basterd · 03-10-2012, 09:01 AM

Re: People waiting to **** on these movements:

I don't think people take issue with activism or world needs. I think the problem with these kinds of events, be they raising awareness for Uganda or child abuse or anything else, is that the participants make a mockery of activism and change. I myself hold these events in high disregard, because for every one person who does something substantial about the issue, there are a hundred thousand more lazy, self-righteous infants who partake in a trend and believe that their status update is doing their part to make a difference.

I think that doing fuck all and believing you are a hero is even worse than apathy, and if this is the way activism is headed, society is just as fucked as if it didn't know or care. Watching a video is not activism. Posting a status is not activism. Formulating an opinion through second-hand information and social propaganda is not activism.

I respect the hell out of anyone who makes an informed effort towards positive change, but I have nothing but contempt for most of these piggybackers. That's why there is backlash over these issues. It's not because we skeptics are selfish or against change, it's because facebook-activism makes a travesty of humanitarian work.

If someone could show me that five million facebook updates made a real impact, not just a sanctimonious public scene, I would put both my feet in my mouth on the spot, but I see no reason to be optimistic about change based on a viral video.

~~James~~ · 03-10-2012, 09:13 AM

Getting sick of all the naive, pretentious people taking part in this on facebook. I have been called sick, ignorant and given evils all week just because I don't want to help fund a war. People get so high and mighty over things like this.

Salami · 03-10-2012, 09:35 AM

A lot of people are getting really involved in the campaign, and this is for very honourable motives. However, the trouble is that not everything is what is seems, and in this case the awful truth is that the campaign is certainly not going to be having the effect that many people imagine it will have. In this case, it is clearly outrageous that children were kidnapped in order to support a resistance movement, but it cannot be assumed that any charity claiming to be fighting against it must be honest and the money you give will be used in the way you expect.
It seems that for a start, Kony hasn't been in Uganda for six years, and therefore claims that he is threatening the children there must be taken skeptically. Furthermore, where the money this charity collects ends up is also questionable, because only a third of the donations actually end up in Uganda.

The article Loathsome Pete quoted says much more, but the clear lesson is that anything as political and driven as much as this ought to be looked at first, because sometimes what you find is not pretty.

TheBig3 · 03-10-2012, 11:26 AM

Sorry, I had to.

Salami · 03-10-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I think that doing fuck all and believing you are a hero is even worse than apathy, and if this is the way activism is headed, society is just as fucked as if it didn't know or care. Watching a video is not activism. Posting a status is not activism. Formulating an opinion through second-hand information and social propaganda is not activism.

I respect the hell out of anyone who makes an informed effort towards positive change, but I have nothing but contempt for most of these piggybackers. That's why there is backlash over these issues. It's not because we skeptics are selfish or against change, it's because facebook-activism makes a travesty of humanitarian work.

If someone could show me that five million facebook updates made a real impact, not just a sanctimonious public scene, I would put both my feet in my mouth on the spot, but I see no reason to be optimistic about change based on a viral video.

This is absolutely true and I think everyone needs to realise it.
They themselves know that what they do will have no effect, but want the warm feeling of having "fought some evil", despite having done nothing at all.

CanwllCorfe · 03-10-2012, 04:34 PM

^ That picture is perfect. Stealing it.

And did anyone watch this interview? It's with the man himself. I believe it's one of the only ones he's ever done. Not sure what to think of it.

Salami · 03-11-2012, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

^ That picture is perfect. Stealing it.

You're welcome!

Quote:

And did anyone watch this interview? It's with the man himself. I believe it's one of the only ones he's ever done. Not sure what to think of it.

For some reason, I didn't quite picture him as acting that way, nor from what I've read about him did I get the same impression.
To be honest, I can't make anything of that video either.

iluvwubs · 03-16-2012, 05:50 PM

Title pretty much says it. If someone wouldn't mind posting a link to the story so the rest can enjoy it, that would be super.

here's the story for people who are too lazy to google it.

" San Diego police say Jason Russell, a co-founder of activist group Invisible Children and one of the creators of the "Kony 2012" video, was detained Thursday night in Pacific Beach after he was allegedly found masturbating in public and possibly under the influence of alcohol, according to NBC San Diego.

According to the station, police say they received calls around 11:30 a.m. reporting that a man running through traffic and screaming, while in "various stages of undress."

Officers say when they arrived on the scene the film maker was cooperative, NBC San Diego reports.

The marketing campaign is an effort by Invisible Children to vastly increase awareness about a jungle militia leader who is wanted for atrocities by the International Criminal Court. He is also being hunted by 100 U.S. Special Forces advisers and local troops in four Central African countries.

The "Kony 2012" video, about the atrocities carried out by Joseph Kony's Lord's Resistance Army went viral, drawing nearly 80 million views on YouTube. The controversial video put Kony in the international spotlight, but also drew disapproval from critics who say the video oversimplified the conflict."

-CBS

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CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	^ That picture is perfect. Stealing it. And did anyone watch this interview? It's with the man himself. I believe it's one of the only ones he's ever done. Not sure what to think of it. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

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iluvwubs Groupie Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: america Posts: 47	Invisible Children Co-Founder Jason Russell caught masturbating in public Title pretty much says it. If someone wouldn't mind posting a link to the story so the rest can enjoy it, that would be super. here's the story for people who are too lazy to google it. " San Diego police say Jason Russell, a co-founder of activist group Invisible Children and one of the creators of the "Kony 2012" video, was detained Thursday night in Pacific Beach after he was allegedly found masturbating in public and possibly under the influence of alcohol, according to NBC San Diego. According to the station, police say they received calls around 11:30 a.m. reporting that a man running through traffic and screaming, while in "various stages of undress." Officers say when they arrived on the scene the film maker was cooperative, NBC San Diego reports. The marketing campaign is an effort by Invisible Children to vastly increase awareness about a jungle militia leader who is wanted for atrocities by the International Criminal Court. He is also being hunted by 100 U.S. Special Forces advisers and local troops in four Central African countries. The "Kony 2012" video, about the atrocities carried out by Joseph Kony's Lord's Resistance Army went viral, drawing nearly 80 million views on YouTube. The controversial video put Kony in the international spotlight, but also drew disapproval from critics who say the video oversimplified the conflict." -CBS

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03-10-2012, 09:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	Re: People waiting to **** on these movements: I don't think people take issue with activism or world needs. I think the problem with these kinds of events, be they raising awareness for Uganda or child abuse or anything else, is that the participants make a mockery of activism and change. I myself hold these events in high disregard, because for every one person who does something substantial about the issue, there are a hundred thousand more lazy, self-righteous infants who partake in a trend and believe that their status update is doing their part to make a difference. I think that doing fuck all and believing you are a hero is even worse than apathy, and if this is the way activism is headed, society is just as fucked as if it didn't know or care. Watching a video is not activism. Posting a status is not activism. Formulating an opinion through second-hand information and social propaganda is not activism. I respect the hell out of anyone who makes an informed effort towards positive change, but I have nothing but contempt for most of these piggybackers. That's why there is backlash over these issues. It's not because we skeptics are selfish or against change, it's because facebook-activism makes a travesty of humanitarian work. If someone could show me that five million facebook updates made a real impact, not just a sanctimonious public scene, I would put both my feet in my mouth on the spot, but I see no reason to be optimistic about change based on a viral video.

03-10-2012, 09:13 AM	#14 (permalink)
~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	Getting sick of all the naive, pretentious people taking part in this on facebook. I have been called sick, ignorant and given evils all week just because I don't want to help fund a war. People get so high and mighty over things like this.

03-10-2012, 09:35 AM	#15 (permalink)
Salami Get in ma belly Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1,385	A lot of people are getting really involved in the campaign, and this is for very honourable motives. However, the trouble is that not everything is what is seems, and in this case the awful truth is that the campaign is certainly not going to be having the effect that many people imagine it will have. In this case, it is clearly outrageous that children were kidnapped in order to support a resistance movement, but it cannot be assumed that any charity claiming to be fighting against it must be honest and the money you give will be used in the way you expect. It seems that for a start, Kony hasn't been in Uganda for six years, and therefore claims that he is threatening the children there must be taken skeptically. Furthermore, where the money this charity collects ends up is also questionable, because only a third of the donations actually end up in Uganda. The article Loathsome Pete quoted says much more, but the clear lesson is that anything as political and driven as much as this ought to be looked at first, because sometimes what you find is not pretty.

03-10-2012, 11:26 AM	#16 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Sorry, I had to.