@ Big3

I just want to ask, as a thought experiment, in a universe where everything is mathematically calculable, from the way a pool ball bounces off the side of a pool table, to the way a planet moves on it's orbit, to the way a forest grows (through fractal mathematics), how can human consciousness somehow be immune to being mathematically calculable? Because for free will to exist, human consciousness must somehow be immune to mathematics.

certain elements in quantum mechanics, like eigenstates, defy conventional mathematics, so that might be a scientific principle for "free will"

i don't buy it, though

This is good politics, but its not good science. Humans are just as susceptible to gravity and trajectory as anything else. The primary difference is, and why people conclude there is free will, is that higher levels of logic and reason - which are self-determined - create new trajectories and drive.

To say we're creatures of society and therefore we have no freewill maybe correct to a small degree, but society was created from free will. Many things run anathema to what Tuna is suggesting is just good business.

Why do I donate to charities? Lets say I give you a gift from OxFam, which is a gift that says "you just bought a goat for a village in Cambodia." Theres no benefit to you, and you don't see the benefit to the village.

To suggest that the universe is Math is to say buildings are all structure. Theres art in their, friend, and that art is determined by a non-functional need to achieve ones own pleasant desires.

Peace of mind? The joy in knowing that you helped someone less fortunate than you?

Hedonism?

What the fuck do you think they're doing with the goat?!

stop asking the obvious

Freewill is based on thoughts and thoughts are based on knowledge that we've already obtained. Does that mean, as we grow and experience more, we gain more freewill?

If a thought starts with a chemical reaction in the brain, leading to electrical signals transmitting over billions of neurons, isn't this predetermined?

Congratulations me - you've successfully managed to confuse yourself. Have a lolly.

Thanks.

on the contrary, that just makes you "wiser" and gives you less freewill, as your choices would have been clearer