F*** Urban then, you're the star.

Well, at the risk of sounding like a philosophical **** is the rest of the world much different? Cyclical nature of humanity and all that.

Oh, Mr. Morsi definitely does. He has tried to appeal to the US, UN, European Union and Arab League to stop the aggression.

Calls have been made now because not enough has been done. The Muslim Brotherhood are actually blaming Arabs states for "watching the shed of Palestinian blood without moving a muscle." I completely agree with that.

Not enough done by the West? If so I definitely agree with you. As for the Arab states, i'm not really sure what they could do on a practical level. Military involvement is out of the question. If you enter into diplomacy, neither side will budge. If you try appeasement, or cave in to what would be the bulk of Israel's demands, you open yourself to domestic criticism and unrest.

They were definitely guilty of it long before now though.

Honestly I don't really get where all this assumed "hatred" is coming from. Their desire is to stop aggression towards Palestinians, not to go all Guerrilla on their ass. You're really just implying that the Arabs are uncivilised people.

Quite simple really, if you were chucked out of your home and then the new person living there dictated what was what to you, wouldn't you feel aggrieved? And then after several attempts to regain what was yours failed, wouldn't the hatred start boiling up inside you to take back what was yours?

The solution is now of course to divide that house up, so you live on one floor and the other floor goes to the other person. Or you share the house like civilized people, but they can't seem to do the second option.

They wash more often than me, so they can't be that uncivilized.

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But yeah, while the Hamas Covenant may not be the most popular view i think hate is a pretty appropriate term. Also entirely understandable.

You almost sounded sympathetic there. ;)

You know, you can hate something and try take back what is yours without killing someone, right?

That doesn't explain why "all Arabs hate Israelis so they want to start a war."

So you can just stomp into somebody's house, take over, order them to share it with you and say "Oh well he won't give it back so ok."

Heh...

The Hamas covenant basically outlines the obliteration of the state of Isreal, whilst stating that it is tolerant of other religions and peoples, as long as they don't interfere with Hamas ambitions, sounds pretty dictatorial to me.

I'm always sympathetic.

You can in most democratic systems with laws firmly in place. But where that doesn't exist in your favour, you have to resort to other methods which may or may not involve using violence.

I'm sure you're fully aware of the conflict of hate that started in biblical times and this culture of hatred has been passed down generation after generation, it doesn't exist of course in all Arabs, only those that have been directly affected by Isreal, through either persecution or just being on the losing side in one of the numerous conflicts. I'm sure an average person in say Saudi Arabia doesn't have a deep-rooted hatred of Isreal, whilst somebody from the Lebanon is far more likely to. There is also the binding link of Islam to unite them against the common enemy as well.

There's no need to stomp in, they already share the same house. The problem is, the Isrealis have the run of the house, whilst the Palestinians live in the toilet and the shed.

Sure, isn't that what happened in both the American continents, Australia, New Zealand, countless other colonies and then depending on how far you want to go back, Britain and virtually all of Europe themselves?