seekn4

I don't know how to post links, there is enough there to do some Google searching and find what you are looking for.

Cinnamonics

Heliocentrism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's a link that shows that at least some people in Ancient Greece thought the earth revolved around the sun. I don't know anything about Egyptians or other ancient civilizations believing the same.

Guybrush

Indeed, but it says the following :

But it would seem Mr. Aristarchus had little support among his peers and regardless of popularity, it is not very many "1000s of years ago". I can't really see anything in that article that supports Seekn4's claim.

The reason I'm bringing it up is really just to show that Seekn4 as well as some others in this thread will happily share some rather radical claims without backing them up even the slightest if pushed just a little. In other words, people should take whatever "facts" such guys write with a barrel load of salt - at least until they can find some sources to back up their claims.

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seekn4

Man you guys sure don't look too hard, I did a search on you tube for zacharia sitchin and found a lecture by him in less than 5 seconds, one is called "lost realms-zacharia sitchin". The astronomy part is like 22min into it. And it was more like 6000 years ago. But I know no one here will actually take the time and do some actual research beyond Wikipedia, so disusssions are pointless here sometimes. Seems like No one really wants to put any effort in finding whats out there. Its like common knowledge that the Mayans knew this, for Pete's sake they knew the planets would be in alignment on Dec, 21, 2012, how is it you don't know this? They had a dead nuts accurate knowledge of the solar system. And I say again, how is it you don't know it, it blows me away. The whole 2012 hoopla was based on this calender and they knew the planets would be in alignment and that only happens 25,000 something years, how did they know that? And they weren't even on the same continent as the more advanced civilizations in the east.

I say all this with a smile on my face, I am not at all being condescending, though it might sound like it at times but I am not at all a hater, I'm am just an incurable smart ass, if you knew me you would love me. but my whole point
was that the worldy knowledge is proved inaccurate without fail thru entire human history, with the truth also being out there at the same time just to be disregarded, because the worldy opinion always operates as if they have it all figured out and are stubborn to believe anything new when they should be looking for the inevitable,..... that they will eventually be proved wrong, just as history shows, so they (society)hould be a little more open minded and loose the foolish pride. How much faster would society evolve if they were actually looking for the newest bit of information instead of having to get it beat in their face with it before accepting it?

Guybrush

I'm not saying there's no information out there. I'm questioning the credibility of that information. I mean, if it was "common knowledge" and credible sources backed it up, that information would be on Wikipedia. That I have to check out some lecture on youtube or something in order to find it means it's less likely to be backed up by credible sources.

Getting your info from Wikipedia isn't such a bad idea because it's generally made up of a consensus of opinions and that means it has a sort of built-in bullshit filter.

And by the way, the planets weren't aligned in any particularly interesting fashion last Dec. 21. Just ask if you want a source to back that claim and I will find you one.

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ManWithNoName

Well that was my main point. Perceptions change depending on the environment and time period. In other words, the environment we live in will always be bigger than the current common or not so common perception of it, essentially supporting the validity of agnosticism.

I was aware that some Romans may have had perceptions of the earth being a sphere due to measuring diameters and so on. However, it is severely doubtful that many people 1000 years ago realised the universe was bigger than to support human life on earth and that it was expanding - considering even Einstein did not realise the latter and many people to this present day are not bothered about it.

anticipation

I hope you realize that Sitchin is universally mocked as a pseduo-historian at best and a manipulative liar at worst. Purposefully misconstruing fact and offering your own inane hypothesis based on evidence that have been categorically proved false by the entire scientific community doesn't make you a credible source unfortunately. Neither does writing a few historical fiction paperbacks.

seekn4

First of the planets were lined up you can go on Google Sky and punch in that date.
Then you gotta ask yourself who is it that's discrediting him,because there are less than 200 people on this planet that can even translate that language.
Like I said Wikipedia is common consensus which is always been proven incomplete, without fail. And everything that eventually became truth was mocked by the consensus.
So if you want to find tomorrow's truth you have to look for the people that the consensus are mocking today. Now isn't that a logical way to search for the next step or "truth"
And again it seems like everyone made a descision without studying his work for yourselves, way to go "scientist" seems like science is turning into nothing different than the religions that you mock.
Blindly following, never questioning what you were taught.
Its cool you can believe what you are told with 100% faith and you have now officially become everything I have heard science claims to be against. Congrats

Guybrush

Instead of trying to figure out on a star map whether or not the planets were "aligned" (whatever that means), I'll just ask NASA. Oh wait, somebody already did so I don't have to.

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So if you wanna claim that the mayans knew that the planets were going to be aligned somehow last dec. 21, I call bullshit. I think it's just another one of your so called "facts", but of course feel free to rebuke.

So in order to find the truth, I have to find the ones who have not passed the quality filters of the Scientific community. I have to listen to the ones who have not been able to prove their claims. I have to listen to the ones with the most ridiculous theories.

Are you serious?

It's a fact that we can't know everything so at some point we have to put our faith in what other people tell us or have written down. That's just the way it is. A difference then between you and me is that I try to make sure my sources of information are credible sources while you don't. For reasons that seem very strange to me, you seem to follow some way of thinking that makes sure you end up with the least credible sources of information.

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GuitarBizarre

Tore, you know he's been banned from bringing up religious crap (Which is to say - Posting anything) in any of the off-topic forums, and therefore cannot respond to you, right?

That said, I fully agree with everything you just said. His rationale is pretty much a scientific "Haters gonna hate" - The bad kind, where people use it as an excuse to not listen to any criticism of themselves in any way because they brand everyone who disagrees with them a faceless "hater".

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