Dimensions and Their Numerical Progression
 

So I have been thinking about this a lot recently. I am sure there is someone smart on here who can answer these questions for me. Okay so...We are in the third dimension, or at least our physical form as we experience it is in the third dimension. We are also apparently expressed in the fourth dimension but we as a subjective consciousness of the third dimension, do not experience it. We cannot even comprehend the fourth dimension or what it would be like to be a physical manifestation in it.

This is a 3-D projection of a tesseract undergoing a simple rotation in four dimensional space.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ell-simple.gif

We are in the third dimension, we have length, we have depth and we have width. Those are the three dimensions we have, three lines intersecting each other, organising everything in this dimension into a cubic grid. The second dimension only has two dimensions, it is flat, everything that lives on it has no depth dimension.


My question is, after watching the videos I have provided below, when we refer to "beings" living in the second dimension and the fourth dimension and the seventy second dimension, what exactly do we mean? When we say that, someone in the third dimension can look at someone in the second dimensions, and someone in the fourth can look at someone in the third. I understand that the third dimension is an infinite amount of two dimensional planes and the second dimension is an infinite amount of one dimensional planes, so the third must be an infinite amount of three dimensional planes?


Cosmos - Carl Sagan - 4th Dimension - YouTube


4th Dimension pt.2 - YouTube



4th Dimension Explained By A High-School Student - YouTube



Fourth Spatial Dimension 101 - YouTube


Imagining the Fourth Dimension - YouTube

Beings means exactly as it sounds...beings. We are 3d beings, so there would be 4d beings and 71d beings. We have no way of perceiving or imagining the totality of those beings, though we would be able to perceive 2 of their dimensions if those 2 dimensions happen to coincide with our particular 3 dimensional space.

Honestly, I can't explain it any better than those videos did. As far as actually interacting directly with a 4th dimensional being, I can try to elaborate on that a little. Starting with the 1 dimensional world...that means there are 2 directions to go. Since every other being in that world also has only 2 directions, the chances of interacting with them are pretty high. Even though they can't perceive the 2nd dimension, it still exists right along with it, only they now have 4 directions to go. Even though they could still very easily interact with the 1d world, the chances that a 2d being will interact with a 1d being is significantly diminished, if only because it has more "directions" to go while the 1d guys are stuck going left or right. The same applies further up the ladder...even though we could interact with a 4d being, since they have that extra dimension to wonder around in the chance that we will actually interact with them is very slim. We could even theoretically interact with 71d beings since they do exist right along with us, only the chance that they will directly interact with our particular 3d niche is INCREDIBLY low.

If I understand you question well. Then I say your mixing between parallel worlds and dimensions. Dimension is a theory (or a thesis I never understood the difference) a fourth dimension would mean a dimension that would employ all previous dimensions, add a characteristic that is relatively new to the previous dimensions (because it is now serving a new function) and of course be of higher order to the previous dimensions.

So the idea is to unveil as many dimensions and by that grasp a better understanding of how universe work. :yeah:

So then does that mean there is a version of me in the second dimension? if all different versions of me are coming from the one source then... Woah I am confused. Alright, how does one actually interact with the second dimension, why can I not see little beings floating around in the second dimension?

No, it doesn't mean there is a version of you in the second dimension. That dimension is (theoretically) inhabited by strictly 2 dimensional beings. Work your way up in the dimensions and (also theoretically) the beings there would exponentially increase in complexity and intelligence. Our minds are tuned to think in 3 dimensions, so adding an exponential amount of new potential directions to go would require that much more intelligence. What is possible, though, is that different versions of you exist in the stacked 3d dimensional worlds perceived by the 4d beings (as mentioned in the videos a 2d world is composed of an infinite amount of stacked 1d lines while the 3d world is composed of an infinite amount of stacked 2d planes). Again, there is no way to even have a clue if that is the truth of it...this is all theoretical. The only thing we can really say with any amount of certainty is that there really are additional dimensions. Everything else is purely theoretical, and it's really anyone's guess.

As for you interacting with the 2d worlds...you do it all the time. However, we are tuned to perceive the 3d world and our brains filter information considered extraneous. It wouldn't be a stretch to consider interacting with comparatively simple 2d beings an extraneous activity, so your brain most likely filters any interactions you have with them (if 2d beings exist at all). I would also assume the same goes for 4d beings interacting with us...to them, we are incredibly simple creatures going about our business and they probably don't even perceive that we are there.

What do you mean about coming from one source? I don't think I mentioned that. This is a very confusing topic and a very difficult one to explain (I think Carl Sagan did it best...that guy is the man). I hope I got across what I was trying to explain, but just in case I'll try to use another analogy.

Imagine your car can only drive on one 2 way street going east and west. There are other cars also stuck on this 2 way street. You see them all the time because they are stuck there with you. However, another street going north and south also exists, only you can't go there. The cars on that street, however, can drive on your street just fine. So, you can see them when they drive on your street, but since they have a whole other street to drive on, you don't see them all the time. Now add another LEVEL of streets...like a parking garage. The same rules apply..the cars on the second level can drive on your street, but you can't get to the second level. However, since they now have EVEN MORE streets to drive on than even the north south guys, the chances that they will be on your street get EVEN LOWER.

That's basically an incredibly simplistic way of trying to think about why we don't see 4d beings floating around everywhere...it's just that the chance they pop up in our particular plane of existence is very low only because they have so many other planes to move around on.

Please ask more questions, too...I really love talking about this kind of stuff.

Very strange

Tagging myself in the thread so that I can watch these videos when I get the chance.

God I love Carl Sagan. This is fascinating stuff, I know what I'll be doing with the rest of my afternoon.

I have loads more questions.

Okay so, these four dimensional beings, and fifth and so on...What about if some of the explainable things that happen in our world, the things we think are supernatural, are actual just accidental interactions with them, or deliberate. Imagine a fourth dimensional being trying to freak one of us out, considering it had some kind of sense of humour. Like when people see strange things, like I dunno, what we would call a ghost. like for instance, I saw some strange **** when I was four years old, an old woman in a veil outside my back door at night, and she was glowing. Or my sister getting pushed forward violently by something hitting her in the shoulder, despite the fact nothing or no one was behind her. That kinda ****.



Now we are getting into psychedelic territory. ^^

The experiences that people have on acid and mushroom trips, could these possibly be interactions with higher beings in higher dimensions? What are your opinions?





If you have smoke I strongly recommend watching them all straight through blazed.

Haha...I was wondering if we would get there. In a nutshell, yes...I think a lot of unexplainable occurrences can be explained by interactions with another dimension. In fact, a lot of physicists believe that certain particles appearing and disappearing inexplicably are the result of them traveling dimensions, and these are observed in labs all the time. I do also feel (as do a lot of scientists out there) that taking psychedelics does open up our perception to a taste of the extra-dimensional world. While taking DMT, a lot of people report "intelligent" geometric shapes...my hypothesis is a lot of this is actually us perceiving the 2d world. A lot of the unexplainable stuff that happens during a breakthrough trip could also be a hint of the 4d world (again...our minds would not even be able to comprehend that this is what we are seeing - as Carl Sagan put it, that dimension is completely out of our experience). In fact, it is hard for our minds to even store that experience in memory, so we start focusing on the feelings we had and end up feeling as if it was a religious experience (for those who have taken a psychedelic - the experience you describe is nowhere near the actual experience, no?). All we are left with is the impression that something we won't ever be able to understand just happened to us...just like when Carl Sagan's 2d shape tried to explain his experience with the apple.

Seeing full blow apparitions that look human, though...I don't know about that one. My own personal beliefs are that the human mind carries so much energy that an unexpected and rapid death creates some kind of "imprint"...much like radiation. But that's a theory for another thread.

I am still quite confused about the second dimension and first dimension though, and how we cannot see the beings in these dimensions. And whether or not they can see us. Gonna do some more research tonight.

Like I said, we don't even know if there are 1d or 2d beings. Or any other beings outside our dimension...it's all theoretical. They CAN also see us, but it would be like our crazy supernatural experiences. Just go back to my street/car analogy. What else is confusing about it?

As for US seeing 1d or 2d beings...like I said, we probably see them everywhere. Even the simplest organism on Earth is still a 3d entity, and decidedly more complex than ANYTHING in the 2d or 1d worlds. Therefore, our brains probably find those entities inconsequential and we filter them out, not even realizing we are seeing them RIGHT THERE.

Way ahead of you.

I assume you're talking about Sagan's Cosmos series?
Interestingly Sagan was a smoker and was personally active in the anti-prohibition movement. Cosmos is an excellent watch regardless of your intoxication choices because, as duga mentioned, Sagan was a genius who was able to communicate his ideas easily with us lesser beings.

Also, I'm not sure if he gets high but the current leading genius, Neil Degrasse Tyson, has an essential radio show and podcast (StarTalk) for anyone interested in astrophysics and such.

Gonna check him out! Thanks for pointing me his way!



I thought as much :)

i've been thinking about this stuff for probably over a decade... and i still can't wrap my head around it.

but i'm convinced the fourth dimension is silent and very crowded.

Crowded with what? And why are you convinced?

well, it just seems like like the fourth dimension is the multiverse, wherein every possibility is simultaneously taking place, at an UNdimensional UN-point of pure conscious awareness. it doesn't seem to me like imagining it as a physical construct is possible, so by deduction, it must be not physical.

sagan said something about the perceptual "punishment" of being trapped in the third dimension, and personally, i equate that with our inability to perceive things as existing outside it, because that's what we're limited to... perceiving things.

so when i think about using what i'm inherently equipped with to experience a higher dimensional plane, it is my curse that i look at it as far more confined than the expanse that is 3D reality.

it should also be noted that when i wrote my previous statement, it was meant to induce some chuckles... i had no intention of explaining myself. again, i can't wrap my head around it, so an explanation is kinda nullified... but i tried anyway.

Yeah man, three dimensional reality is a total bummer maaan:laughing: I would love to start up a conversation like that on public transport just to freak the every day joe out. I must say I am incredibly fascinated with this whole subject and hope to become less ignorant about it for the rest of my life. I never took an interest in this subject before, and now that I have, I am obsessed.

Neil deGrasse Tyson is one of my favorite people ever. I need to check out that podcast.

I see the demensions as a conscious awareness state of being or way of thinking. Closed minded people or people who only think things are black or white are what I see as 1d beings. 2d beings I see as people who are a little more open minded and let the mind produce just a little more options. I see 3d beings are the ones who can look at the world and only see possibilities that are visual and feel powerless to change anything, basically a victim mentality. And I see 4d beings as people who live by feeling who see all options and make a decision to choose the option that they want and feels perfect to them and gives them positive energy.

For example a 1d being will say smoking causes cancer, a 2d will say smoking only causes cancer in 33% of those who smoke, a 3d being will say if smoking only causes cancer in 33% of people how do you know how can you say for sure if it is smoking causing it, cause 33% of men will get prostate cancer. And a 4d being says I don't believe what the world says I am going to create my own reality and believe that it isn't what you put in your body that causes cancer and that will be my reality and live in peace without fear.
And if you live in any demension below the 4th you live in fear.

^^ Way to bring something totally unrelated into a discussion about spacial dimensions.

Spiritual dimensions are a way to apply the knowledge of spacial dementions to your life, if you can't apply that knowlege to your life, its not really knowledge is it? What good is it? Go on the internet and study spiritualist describing dimensions they are explaining the same thing just in different terms and how it applies to us.

As an atheist, I have not made a habit of believing spiritualists have ever had even the vaguest chance of knowing what they're talking about. This does of course mean that I don't believe you have any idea what you're talking about.

Which is to say, holy effing crap what you wrote there is bull****.

i can't apply the knowledge i have of the existence of saturn's rings to my life. but they're there. this thread is about science.

f*ck i love italics.

That is 3rd dimentional thinking, the 4th is living from a deeper "feeling" outside the visual realm. Going deeper than the 5 known senses(taste, touch, smell, sight, hearing), deeper than the conscious mind.
If you think science and spirituality are telling different stories you are misinformed.

Have you ever heard a spiritualist describe God... They say God always has been, always will be, can't be destroyed, moves in form, thru form and out of form.

A scientist describes energy as...always has been, always will be, can't be destroyed, moves in form thru form and out of form
They are describing the same thing with different terms, but ego will keep you blinded to seeing that we are all the same
God is love and love gives us energy
However spiritualist have known this for 1000s of years and science just figured it out recently, so what does that tell you
So if you have just a little faith in yourself you will be light years ahead of science.
A spiritualist says God is everything, a scientist says everything is energy.
Spirituality is the study of "self" and knowledge needs to be applied to "self" if it can't be it is useless. It teaches you to feel that love energy as much as possible. You see you have to be in the 4th dimension of awareness to come to this kind of understanding, to be able to go beyond the visable. Nothing is what it appears to be.

It's "spatial" - I know that, but "dementions"? seriously what are you trying to say "dimensions" or "dementia?" If it's the latter do you have "spatial dementia?"

I can't help but correct you -- the guy who said we had 5 senses also thought there were 4 elements. Get with the times man, we have more like 20 senses or so.

Lawl, I also like how you listed them out as if we actually needed a refresher. :laughing:

2/4 dimensional beings, ghosts and acid trips crossing dimensions my arse. This is "physics" gobbldey****.

We are ignorant to everything around us. Science only goes so far.Also are you refuting what carl sagan was saying?

Thanks for proving my point, that is exactly what I said, we have more senses than just 5, so evidently you don't need a refresher you need to learn how to comprehend written word, lol

We can babble on forever uninformatively about things that could, may, or may not exist in other dimensions that may or may not exist and that we have no evidence for and if they do exist don't actually affect us in any way.

There are plenty of actually interesting and flabbergasting aspects of physics and the cosmos we don't understand but are actual issues or have some substance behind them (dark energy, flow, matter, quantum physics). People going off looking for something more exotic like other dimensional beings and how trips might be us interacting just seems desperate.

You're confused about beings in the first and second dimensions, why we cannot see them and if they see us????

I usually like to try and remain level and intellectual, but screw it, bottom line is that's Gobbledy, ****ing, ****. So many layers of consideration before you even start to consider the "beings" existence. Although considering the dimensions can serve as a nice starter for how we percieve our universe and our lack of ability to view time as the fourth dimension, and how spacetime can "bend" (rubbersheet analogy).

And then if you want to approach from the philosophical angle, there are far more substantial aspects on that front as well, if you consider the branching universes it challenges free will etc rather than wondering if creatures existing in 2d are responsible for our dreams and ghost sightings.

Evidently no-one on this forum understands that the 4th dimension is something we see in our mind not something external, it is in our consciousness, internal sight. If the 4d doesn't make sense to you it means you are looking in the wrong place for the answer. Our minds have the ability to make sense of everything if you let it.
Have you ever noticed that when you are doing something that you really enjoy doing or love, and feel positive emotion about, time seems to fly, time is illusory. And when you are feeling negative emotion or something you hate, time seems to slow down. When you do what you have a passion for you will understand and be living in what you call the 4th dimension.
If the knowledge of the 4th dimension can't be applied to our lives and make them better, its a waste of time to talk or think about. That's what spirituality does, it takes the useless knowledge and makes it usefull.

I find this incredibly interesting because of the vast difference in the perceptions that living things possess. We study the vision and thermal senses of animals such as snakes, birds, bees, and fish and find that they vary quite immensely and interestingly. I believe that our perception of "dimension" is unfortunately quite limited, mostly because our brain's capability to process complex environments is limited. Think about being underwater and the effect it has on your reality, now think about being in the vastness of space. Our ability to survive and function in the majority universe is quite low, despite it being made up of the same elements we are. Add in the idea that the universe is roughly one large goo of particles in a constant reconfiguration, with large waves of atoms, particles, and molecules collide and chaotically reshape the universe like an ocean, and it becomes harder to imagine what other dimensions could possibly be perceived as, or what kind of "beings" exist on those planes. I believe it is unlikely they would exist in any fashion that we could understand so I would hesitate to say we will ever comprehend them.

Also, the idea of the imprint is awesome. I wonder what happens to our atoms when we die, and if there is a significance to atoms that have held "life" after that life has passed on. If existence is one continuity, then what would happen to our conscience after our physical and sensory understanding of the world was removed?

what would happen to our conscience after our physical and sensory understanding of the world was removed?

If you study people that had the "death" experience and came back, they all say that their consciousness never stopped, even in people that were clinically dead for over 45 min then revived.
There is a book called "Proof of Heaven, a neurosurgeons journey into the afterlife". By Eben Alexander M.D. who was an athiest until he died and came back, now he believes in God. The only science we can have on that subject is studying people who have experienced this. Some things we want to understand our only option it to take it on faith.

Yes I am very interested in quantum physics as well, but this thread is about dimensions and the possibilities of adding a fourth dimension, let alone a fifth or a sixth and so on, and what would it be like in these dimensions. Considering the stark difference between the idea of living in a two-dimensional world and living in a three-dimensional world. We are not here to talk about quantum physics or dark matter, (both of which I am very interested in) I would be happy to take a look at a thread you might start about those. All I ask is that you take a look at the videos I posted and not be narrow minded about them and pass them off as "gobbeldy ****" when they are far more than that. And besides, its Carl ****ing Sagan!

I'll be honest, you're so, so unbelievably far away from talking about anything related to this thread, that I'm really hoping a mod takes exception and removes all your posts, since there are so many of them that the thread is actually now not only off topic, but also hard to follow since you won't shut the **** up and let the actual discussion take place.

Careful, he might preach at you again in the form of a condescending wall of bull****.

If you look at his posts, all of them are about religion or "spiritualism" or whatever. He only posts in the "god is in your mind" thread and other religion related topics. Not saying thats breaking any rules, buts it is real ****in annoying.